Linux-Misc Digest #821, Volume #18 Sat, 30 Jan 99 06:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: (Symbolic) Links Again (Alexander Viro)
Re: Compressed 2.2 kernel about 35% larger than compressed 2.0.x?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kernel too big (Solved) ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Re: How to check if someone is logged on from the console? (Geoff Allsup)
Re: LILO + shutdown questions ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Re: cannot open root device 08:07 (Villy Kruse)
Re: How to check free disk space available (Bill Sharrock)
Re: Help with Creative PCI64 soundcard please? (Jeremiah)
Re: (Symbolic) Links Again (gus)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Alexander Viro)
Re: COM for Linux? (Peter Mutsaers)
Re: Firewall? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Linux 2.0.36 and Hard Drives > 8Go (Jose Urena)
Re: Removed NETEAR FA310TX- Wont work after putting it back in. (Philip Hirschhorn)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Richard Steiner)
Re: UNIX - Who, What, Where? (Alexander Viro)
LinuxCAD technology in a long run. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Paul Doherty)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Jason Lee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links Again
Date: 30 Jan 1999 04:18:06 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>to the outside world. for security reasons, i would like to skip the
>step of having any userspace visible pathname and go directly to the
>anonymous file with handle. is this possible?
D'oh. Create it in a directory where nobody but you has exec
permissions. That's it. Or just use private mmap().
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Compressed 2.2 kernel about 35% larger than compressed 2.0.x?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:03:08 GMT
Gopal Harikumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But I have not enabled any of the new kernel options. That is, my
> 2.2.0 kernel is supposed to have only those features that I had
> enabled in my 2.0.x kernel. Is it still the case that the compiled
Yes, but basic kernel features such as memory management, scheduling
and networking have been changed significantly in 2.2
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Kernel too big (Solved)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:15:51 +1100
G'day....
> That is probably why, whenever I compiled my kernel and renamed it to
> vmlinuz the system refused to boot.
Did you think about re-running lilo?
All the best...
Michael.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff Allsup)
Subject: Re: How to check if someone is logged on from the console?
Date: 29 Jan 1999 14:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 Jan 1999 09:28:44 GMT, Binand Raj S.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am writing a program (in C) which has to check if the user is
>logged on from the console. The method I'm currently using is:
>
<stuff deleted>
>Is this the correct way to do this? Is there a better/more efficient way
>to do it?
>
Excuse my asking, but what's wrong with 'who'?
geoff
--
******************************************************************
Geoff Allsup Upper Ocean Processes Group
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA, USA
******************************************************************
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO + shutdown questions
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:26:39 +1100
G'day David and all...
> I need to default to DO$ until my kids get comfortable running Linux
> (RedHat 5.2). The changes I make to lilo.conf do not seem to have an
> affect on the boot. I've tried changing the wait time, but regardless
> of what I set it to it will always stay up for about 3 seconds.
Firstly, make sure that the dos partition is the first listing in
lilo.conf. (Whatever is first becomes the default boot option.)
>From memory - if you comment out the 'prompt', 'timeout' and 'delay' lines
in your lilo.conf, lilo will automatically boot into the default image. To
get a prompt, make sure the caps-lock key is set (so the light is on the
keyboard - you may have to wait till after the POST clears the keyboard
registers) or hold down the shift or alt keys.
(see 'man lilo.conf')
Make sure that you rerun lilo after you make any changes to it.
> Also I want users to be able to shutdown the system, but even when I
> give them shutdown permission the message when running shutdown is "only
> root can do that."
Ok, to reboot you should be able to do a "three-fingured salute"
(ctr-alt-del) from console (under any or no users).
You can change this so it shutdown and halts instead if you like. (Edit
the appropriate line /etc/inittab which defines the action of ctr-alt-del.
Its not hard to do.)
All the best.
Michael.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: cannot open root device 08:07
Date: 29 Jan 1999 15:33:23 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>G'day...
>
>
>> Need help getting a scsi kernel to build.
>> Built a kernel for scsi on Caldera 1.3
>> boot partition is /dev/sda7
>> When machine comes up I get message:
>> VFS: Cannot opne root device 08:07
>> kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:07
>> Default kernel works.
>
>This is because the kernel is trying to load the root filesystem from
>the wrong partition. If you are using LILO you should be able to fix
>this. There is also a command that you can perform on the image that
>will set the root filesystem.
>
Caldera systems are very tricky when the root file system is loaded on
a SCSI drive. FIrst of all the standard kernel doesn't support any
SCSI devices except by loaded modules -- just like redhat systems.
Therefore in the lilo.conf file you will refer to an initrd.gz file
which is a file system image that gets loaded into a ramdisk, and
this ramdisk will be a temporary root file system just long enough
to load the scsi device drivers. When these device drivers are loaded
the temporary ramdisk file system is unmounted and the real root file
system is mounted.
Now, if the kernel that is being loaded is not the one that you loaded
at install time, but one you have re-compiled, the loading of the scsi
device drivers will fail, and thus you won't have any root disk at
all. Thus the kernel panic.
Two ways of fixing this.
1) Open up the initrd.gz and fix the information in /etc/modules
The file name in this directory must mach excatcly the output
of the 'uname -v' command. or the modules won't load.
That is why you always get problems after re-compiling a new
kernel.
2) Compile the scsi device driver for your configuration into your
own kernel so you won't need any initrd at all.
As procedure 1) is a bit complicated you should use procedure 2).
Villy
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From: Bill Sharrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to check free disk space available
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:36:22 -0600
Juan Riera wrote:
>
> Silly newbie question :
> How can I see free disk space available across all my Linux partitions?
> (someting as chkdsk collecting info from all disks)
> Thanks,
> Juan
Use df -h
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From: Jeremiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with Creative PCI64 soundcard please?
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:07:55 -0500
Scott Alfter wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Richard Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I bought the useless darn thing at the local shop owner's
> >recomendation - he's usually pretty good, but a complete Windoze head
> >and as such completely oblivious to concerns like "Does it work in
> >Linux?"
>
> It's nothing more than a relabeled Ensoniq AudioPCI. Compile in support for
> ES1370-based sound cards and it'll work.
In that case, you might want to get the ALSA drivers... they
worked much better for me (I have a real Ensoniq Audio PCI). Their homepage is:
http://alsa.jcu.cz/
You shouldn't need to recompile your kernel to make it work, and it should
be relatively painless to set up.
Brian
--
email to bmeloon at netscape dot net. evilquaker is a spam collector.
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (Symbolic) Links Again
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:55:06 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alexander Viro wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >3. Colour, Colour, Colour ... I like the idea of a file having only one
> >location in the file system, and then the link reference the file. Thus,
> >I like to see the referencing (symlinks) in a different colour when I do
> >an ls. Hard links would have all the files in the same colour. This
> >makes it easier to control and understand where a file logically
> >belongs. (basic, isn't it ;-)
> File *DOESN'T* have a location. Period. Files in UNIX are nameless.
> Directories are just special files containing pairs (name,reference to file).
[snip]
Sorry, I should have been more specific about my knowledge here ... I
feel you wasted a lot of time correcting what you thought was an error
in my ways. I do actually know that the filename(s)/location(s) is the
"meaningless" part, and that the inode is the "significant" part. That
first sentence would have been better written as "Colour, Colour, Colour
... Even though I know it is inaccurate, I normally find it most useful
to think of a file having only one location in the file system ...".
Otherwise, it is a good explaination into a level of detail I was
unaware of. Thanks.
gus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 30 Jan 1999 04:41:14 -0500
In article <78u9ff$t31$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>run Linux because I want to. I'm an old coder by heart and see Linux as an
>opportunity to be the only OS. Yes, that's a dream way-off, but remember
It's a nightmare. There should be no such thing as single OS.
UNIX as whole - maybe. Any of its flavours - no, and will never happen.
I like Linux. I hack on it. I *know* how many things do we share with
FreeBSD and the whole 4.4BSD family. On the kernel level, not to mention
the userland. Our VFS goes back to SunOS. Our virtual memory system goes
back to 4.3BSD (and TWENEX, for that matter). We win from the existence of
FreeBSD and other Unices. They win from existence of Linux. One OS means
stagnation.
>that Linux IS developed by the "world", we can make it do more that MS does,
>but do it right!
Maybe you didn't notice that *many* things are developed the same way.
*BSD kernels. Sendmail. X. BIND. News software. gcc. Other GNU software.
Other BSD software. Etc, etc. There are many systems consisting of those
things. Linux distributions also contain them, but those programs are not
Linux-specific.
>Each release of Windows is build on top of the other with "Fancies" thrown
>in. The "great" ground-up rewrite of Win95, wasn't. The coders on Linux are
>not restricted to the Redmond mind set. Hence, the product will grow in more
Yes, but we *are* restricted by simple reality. Change the system
in *really* incompatible way and you've lost 99% of the software. We have
much better legacy - Linux is UNIX, not RSX-11 many times raped. But dropping
this legacy is suicide.
>Bill is a great businessman, or how could he have sold us all SHIT for
>years. Better yet, why did we buy it. My answer is that it was the best that
Really... Why did you buy it?
>was out there at the time. Linux is finally taking off...who knows, with
Huh? What color is your sky??? Best that was out there???
>corp. backing ( IBM, Compaq and the like) and "No one Person" responsible
>for it, it could be the only OS to use -- Time will tell.
It never will. It would die if something like that would happen.
I *really* hope that we'll escape such fate.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Peter Mutsaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: COM for Linux?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 09:51:41 +0100
>> "AP" == Aaron Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AP> Does anyone know if a Component Object Model (COM) port is
AP> available for linux? If not, is any group or company planning
AP> or developing such a port?
COM can't be ported, since there is no spec. The only "spec" is the
way that Microsofts toolset works. One might try reverse engineering,
but that's a lot of work and chances are big that before you finish
the port is oblolete because Microsoft made changes to its
implementation and thus to the "standard".
AP> I'd like to work on some applications for linux that would
AP> utilize distributed COM components, and I want to know if this
AP> is possible.
Go with a decent standard for such things: Corba. It has a published
spec, has more features, and implementations of different vendors can
interoperate. Also it is easier to use (IMO) and can be used from more
languages.
--
Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | the Netherlands | what I'm doing.
===============+=====================+=================
Running FreeBSD-3.0 UNIX. See http://www.freebsd.org
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Firewall?
Date: 29 Jan 1999 09:28:47 -0500
Dan Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking into firewall technology being a newbie and am wondering if
> firewall software exists for linux, and if it does can it:
>
> - secure In/Out FTP
>
> - securs Telnet In/Out
>
> - provids Virtual Private Networking supporting Microsoft's clientside
> PPTP
for firewalls check out rob ziegler's fine page at
<URL:http://rlz.ne.mediaone.net/>
follow his links to linux firewalls.
for secure in/out ftp/telnet try ssh or srp. srp can be found at
<URL:http://srp.stanford.edu/>
i do not know about the microsoft stuff.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Jose Urena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Linux 2.0.36 and Hard Drives > 8Go
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:16:13 -0500
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read up in 'man lilo', look around the append option
1. you might need to add append="hda=c,h,s" to lilo.conf
where c,h,s are the cylinders, heads and sectors for your HD
2. for the size of your HD the hda=1232/255/63 number is too small for
cylinders and too large for the heads,
look at the label on top of the HD for the correct parameters or go to
IBM directly
My guess is that those numbers are from the BIOS when LBA is enabled
you need LBA for dos/windows support.
Linux 2.2.0 has better support for large HD, take your time deciding whether
to upgrade
Damien Ercole wrote:
> Hi all !
>
> I have successfully installed both Linux and Win 98 on the same Hard
> Drive...
> Everything works fine (Lilo boot and so on ..) but i still have a little
> pb with
> my hard drive ... Indeed when I load Linux, it detects the correct hard
> drive
> (IBM Deskstar) but with the wrong geometrical parameters .... It says
> 1024/255/63 for CHS ... which gives me around 8Go of space .. but
> normally
> it's a 10Go with 1232 Cylinders .... I have tried to pass some
> arguments when
> booting on the Lilo prompt, like Linux Linear, or Linux
> /dev/hda=1232/255/63 ...
> but nothing works .....I have a kernel 2.0.36 .. nomally it's supposed
> to handle
> Hard Drives bigger then 8Go isn't it ? I know it's not due to my BIOS ..
> cause
> it's a recent one (98) that recognizes HD > 8Go ... so anyone as an idea
> ?
> I wonder if i have to recompile the kernel with some kind of options for
> big Hard
> Drives ?
>
> here is my config :
> ******************************************************************
> BIOS : primary master : 1232 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63 Sectors, LBA
> mode
> LINUX :
> Type | Dev | Cylinders| Blocks | Id| Id
> ------------------------------------------------
> Primary| hda1| 1 638 | 5124703| 83| Linux Native
> Primary| hda2| 639 1218| 4658850| c| Win95 FAT32(LBA)
> Primary| hda3| 1219 1232| 112455| 82| Swap
>
> And i'm running RedHat 5.2 (kernel 2.0.36 ) on a Celeron A333 with 128Mo
> Ram
> ******************************************************************
>
> Note : I have tried to use fdisk(linux) to redeclare my partitions but
> it says
> something like :
> /hda2 has a logical ending at 1218 and a physical at 1023
> ....
> and other similar messages for /hda3 .... (i don't remember
> exactly)
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read up in 'man lilo', look around the append option
<p>1. you might need to add append="hda=c,h,s" to lilo.conf
<br> where c,h,s are the cylinders, heads and sectors for your
HD
<br>2. for the size of your HD the hda=1232/255/63 number is
too small for cylinders and too large for the heads,
<br> look at the label on top of the HD for the correct
parameters or go to IBM directly
<br> My guess is that those numbers are from the BIOS
when LBA is enabled
<br> you need LBA for dos/windows support.
<p>Linux 2.2.0 has better support for large HD, take your time deciding
whether to upgrade
<p>Damien Ercole wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi all !
<p>I have successfully installed both Linux and Win 98 on the same Hard
<br>Drive...
<br>Everything works fine (Lilo boot and so on ..) but i still have a little
<br>pb with
<br>my hard drive ... Indeed when I load Linux, it detects the correct
hard
<br>drive
<br>(IBM Deskstar) but with the wrong geometrical parameters .... It says
<br>1024/255/63 for CHS ... which gives me around 8Go of space .. but
<br>normally
<br>it's a 10Go with 1232 Cylinders .... I have tried to pass some
<br>arguments when
<br>booting on the Lilo prompt, like Linux Linear, or Linux
<br>/dev/hda=1232/255/63 ...
<br>but nothing works .....I have a kernel 2.0.36 .. nomally it's supposed
<br>to handle
<br>Hard Drives bigger then 8Go isn't it ? I know it's not due to my BIOS
..
<br>cause
<br>it's a recent one (98) that recognizes HD > 8Go ... so anyone as an
idea
<br>?
<br>I wonder if i have to recompile the kernel with some kind of options
for
<br>big Hard
<br>Drives ?
<p>here is my config :
<br>******************************************************************
<br>BIOS : primary master : 1232 Cylinders, 255 Heads, 63
Sectors,
LBA
<br>mode
<br>LINUX :
<br>Type | Dev | Cylinders| Blocks | Id| Id
<br>------------------------------------------------
<br>Primary| hda1| 1 638 | 5124703| 83| Linux Native
<br>Primary| hda2| 639 1218| 4658850| c| Win95 FAT32(LBA)
<br>Primary| hda3| 1219 1232| 112455| 82| Swap
<p>And i'm running RedHat 5.2 (kernel 2.0.36 ) on a Celeron A333 with 128Mo
<br>Ram
<br>******************************************************************
<p>Note : I have tried to use fdisk(linux) to redeclare my partitions but
<br>it says
<br>
something like :
<br> /hda2
has a logical ending at 1218 and a physical at 1023
<br>....
<br> and other
similar messages for /hda3 .... (i don't remember
<br>exactly)</blockquote>
</html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Hirschhorn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Removed NETEAR FA310TX- Wont work after putting it back in.
Date: 30 Jan 1999 09:41:53 GMT
Oliver Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: burk wrote:
: > I recently read on another newsgroup that the newer FA310TX's no longer
: > use the DEC tulip chip set and give Linux fits. Anybody else hear this?
: Yes, Netgear dropped the DEC tulip chip and switched to LITE-ON, the second
: source, when DEC sold their fab to Intel.
It turns out that Netgear has a Linux driver for the newer version of
their card available on their web site! (I'm *extremely* pleased to
find manufacturers starting to write Linux drivers.) To quote from a
posting to another newsgroup:
> > After fighting for about two weeks now with the setup of my
> Netgear
> > FA310TX [...]
>
> ... and another couple of hours actually brought the solution: It is
> the
> driver from
> http://netgear.baynetworks.com/support/ that one needs to make it
> work. They say it in the HELP.EXE on the floppy, but it is nowhere
> mentioned in the booklet. I just recompiled tulip.c, copied the
> tulip.o
> where it belongs, depmod -a, reboot, and it was there!!
>
> It would be nice if
> (a) the tulip drivers from baynetworks and cesdis could somehow
> converge
> (b) the tulip site as cesdis could add a reference to baynetworks
> for
> the netgear card.
Their web site offers the driver, and explains how to tell if your
card needs their driver for Linux.
--
======================================================================
Philip Hirschhorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:25:38 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
spake unto us, saying:
>On 29 Jan 1999 20:47:03 GMT, Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Anyone who thinks the U.S. isn't the most technologically advanced
>>country in the world is living in a vacuum.
>
>But not nearly as advanced as the societies that are in fact living
>in a vacuum...
Though that may depend rather a lot on the type of physical environment
the members of those particular societies need to survive. Unless the
assumption is human-only above. :-)
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
You hold 'em off, I'll go for help. (heh-heh-heh!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: UNIX - Who, What, Where?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 05:02:31 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That's a very good answer Mr. Browne. Also consider that one of the reasons
>for Unix's popularity is ITS cost. Compare the cost of say, a 500-user NT
ITS cost??? ITS was free, IIRC ;-) Now, PDP-10 wasn't...
>license to that of UNIX and there is no contest.
>
>Unix was originally intended to be "platform-independent". The idea was
>that if you had a C-Compiler for your machine you could put Unix on it.
D'oh. C is 3 years younger than UNIX (1969 and 1972 resp.)
UNIX was mostly rewritten to C (from assembler) in v4 (1974). First attempts
to port it were around v6 - v7 time (late 70s). That gave serious changes
in C, BTW. Please, go to the the homepage of Dennis Ritchie
<http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/~dmr> and read the documents. After all, he is
the author of C and one of two authors of UNIX. Presumably he *knows* what
he writes about. Moreover, there is a scanned set of v1 manpages (1971, Nov
3rd). They do not mention C and the whole fscking section 3 (standard
library) is for assembler. Ditto for section 2 (system calls).
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LinuxCAD technology in a long run.
Date: Sun,31 Jan 1999 02:15:49+2000
You can relay on LinuxCAD technology in a long run:
==========================================================
http://www.linuxcad.com
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LinuxCAD v 1.75
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2. Printing DeskJet and LaserJet ,
3. Printing Postscript
4. Printing LinuxCAD MS Windows based Print server.
5. Blocks and Attributes - just like in AutoCAD.
6. Bezier Splines.
7. 3D objects and algorythms.
check and see for yourself:
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From: Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:36:45 -0600
Michael Powe wrote:
> Your "statement" fell over sideways. Your original claim was that
> computers were invented in the United States. Since that was
> demonstrably false, you've now changed your argument to be that the
> tools that enabled computers to be built were invented in the
> United States.
I quote from my own post where I entered this argument to demonstrate
that you are full of it...
Where does these attempts to beat up on the "average" American come
from?
We're the number one miltary and economic superpower on the
planet. Most of the technical innovations in computing *came* from the
USA (transistor, IC, microprocessor, etc). If we're all so damn stupid
then why are we beating all of *you*? Sounds like simple sour grapes to
me... change your first name to "Harrison" and then you can put some
ear-splitting random interval sounds into my earpiece to bring me down
to your level... :-)
If you'll note above the term "invention of computers" is nowhere to be
seen.
What *is* seen is what I have been (and still am) debating - that the
"technical
innovations in computing *came* from the USA (transistor, IC,
microprocessor, etc)."
So now that you've been shown wrong, will you admit it, or try to twist
what
is easily proven (as I just did) into something else?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:43:18 GMT
Another good one... :P
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:17:05 -0800, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Matthias Warkus
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
>> : I suppose this wasn't any different even in pre-trauma Germany... At first I
>> : thought you were USAmerican, that's why I was so bewildered.
>>
>> Nah. UK.
>>
>> You pledge
>> : allegiance to the flag at *school* in the USA AFAIK.
>>
>> Yup. I think they do.
>> Stupid, isn't it?
>
>
>We Americans may be stupid, but you Brits would be
>singing "God Save the Queen" auf Deutsch without us. :)
>
>Arthur
Jason Lee | hold on if the truth be known
Programmer/Analyst - MEDTECH | truth is more than "to each his own"
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