Linux-Misc Digest #974, Volume #27 Tue, 29 May 01 07:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: tulip driver ("ja")
Re: How to start an executable??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? ("wade
blazingame")
Re: running X applications as root after /bin/su (Ulf Stegemann)
Re: Is it worth upgrading kernel? ("Peet Grobler")
Collection of tarballs ("Peet Grobler")
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? (kosh)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news (Donn Miller)
Re: Best Window Manager. (Eirik Newth)
automatic interpreter linking (Tom Steidel)
Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers? ("Peter
T. Breuer")
Re: automatic interpreter linking (Colin Watson)
Re: Knode:can not save remote file (cymfd3s)
Re: How to start an executable??? ("Glitch")
Re: Best Window Manager. (Carlie Coats)
e2fs to reiser? ("Glitch")
Re: Knode:can not save remote file (Robert_L)
Sensor module for via686 motherboard (K133A) ("Wayne Osborn")
Re: XTerm Question ("Glitch")
Re: running X applications as root after /bin/su (Reino Ruusu)
Re: manipulating /etc/passwd + /etc/group ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Sensor module for via686 motherboard (K133A) (Joe Leherbauer)
kmix only works wothg root logged in (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Diez)
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From: "ja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: tulip driver
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:41:25 +0200
Reply-To: "ja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Uzytkownik "MrEye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisal w wiadomosci
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have RH7.1 installed. I also installed using the rpm, the kernel for
> RH7.0, so that I can run win4lin. But in the RH7.0 kernel it does not
> rcognize my ethernet card or load the 'tulip' module. Here is the result
> of the moprobe command --
>
> [root@localhost irlapati]# modprobe tulip
> /lib/modules/2.2.17-14/net/tulip.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
Read about tulip driver in kernel docs. I suppose you didn't specified
any IO or IRQ, or gave wrong values.
JA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to start an executable???
Date: 29 May 2001 06:51:45 GMT
gajo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... and I've tried this with both executables (in usr/tictac and usr/games).
Have you tried to type /usr/games/tictac in a console?
What messages (if any) did you obtain?
Davide
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From: "wade blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:52:11 GMT
Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
community.
Signing up for mailing lists is a hassle. Getting off some of them can be
a freakin nightmare. Your in-box is stuffed with every message whether
you're interested in the subject or not. Threading is almost never
supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers. If the
mailing lists are archived at all, they're archived using terrible HTML
interfaces that are illogically presented, painful to use and inflexible.
This really discourages participation and strengthens the misperception
that OSS packages are difficult and unapproachable.
Why must it be this way? Can someone explain this to me?
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From: Ulf Stegemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: running X applications as root after /bin/su
Date: 29 May 2001 08:59:48 +0200
wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> For some reason, I can't run X applications as root after doing /bin/su
> (permission denied). How can I fix it. My distro is Debian Potato.
>
> Wroot
That's because root is not allowed to use your (the normal user's)
display. This behaviour can be changed by the 'xhost' command, e.g. 'xhost +'
(as normal user) allows connections form any user including root.
Ulf
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From: "Peet Grobler" <peetgr at absa.co.za>
Subject: Re: Is it worth upgrading kernel?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:17:14 +0200
[-]
>I'd rather upgrade to 2.2.19, which fixes some security bugs.
>
>For 2.4.5 there's already an ac patch and from the ChangeLog 2.4.5
>is, again, not really unproblematic yet.
So would it be worth upgrading to 2.4.0? Why or why not? Can't I assume that
2.4.5 fixes a lot of security bugs, etc. from the kernel I have? I will keep
a backup of the old kernel, of course, and if something goes wrong I can
fall back. So it's not that critical.
>>Would these changes justify me downloading the kernel, and installing it?
>>Would it be faster? Since this is an old machine, I won't benefit much
from
>>changes made to the kernel to include newer hardware. Heck, this machine
>>doesn't even have a monitor. X not installed. Just the basic software.
>[-]
>You'd have to upgrade not just the kernel for 2.4.5, beware.
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm doing anyways. I want to upgrade all the
software to the latest versions, for the simple reason that I expect these
newer versions to have (more/better) functionality, be more stable, and
fixing a lot of things I don't even know about. Isn't this the same reason
to upgrade the kernel?
>>I'm in the process of upgrading all the software on this machine, so if I
>>need to upgrade e.g. glibc, or similar, I'm doing it anyways. Won't create
>>more work for me.
>>
>>What do you guys think??
>[-]
>Since you're in the process upgrading pretty much else at the moment
>I'd even more not upgrade to a new kernel release. You've your work
>cut out already and in the meantime could let 2.4.x ripen a bit more.
I'm not planning on upgrading the kernel immediately. I want to upgrade the
rest of the software, and once that is done, the kernel.
>I'm a bit conservative at times, yes,
>Juergen
>
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From: "Peet Grobler" <peetgr at absa.co.za>
Subject: Collection of tarballs
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:22:13 +0200
I know it's possible to find rpm's using rpmfind.net
Is there a similar place for tarballs? (tar.gz/bz2)?
I know about sourceforge, but they don't have the standard packages included
with linux systems, e.g. : crond, apache, at, etc.
Anyone knows of such a place?
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From: kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 01:38:41 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wade blazingame wrote:
> Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
> reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
> community.
>
> Signing up for mailing lists is a hassle. Getting off some of them can be
> a freakin nightmare. Your in-box is stuffed with every message whether
> you're interested in the subject or not. Threading is almost never
> supported as well in mail clients as it is in news readers. If the
> mailing lists are archived at all, they're archived using terrible HTML
> interfaces that are illogically presented, painful to use and inflexible.
>
> This really discourages participation and strengthens the misperception
> that OSS packages are difficult and unapproachable.
>
> Why must it be this way? Can someone explain this to me?
>
It is actually fairly simple. Many people use something like procmail to
sort mail to appropriate locations and deal with it. I can have my machine
grab mail from many public accounts and store it locally on my machine and
sort it approripriately. News servers don't work for that quite as well.
Also on the whole email clients are a good bit more advanced then news
clients are.
I typically use mutt or pine with procmail which works great and doesn't
put lots of junk in my inbox.
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 03:44:18 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news
wade blazingame wrote:
>
> Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
> reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
> community.
Actually, there are various reasons. First, the tightly-knit developers
want up-to-the minute updates on development, and they like them
delivered to their inbox. Second, news servers sometimes drop important
articles. Also, mailing lists typically have a much much higher
signal-to-noise ratio than usenet newsgroups. And usually there aren't
any trolls on mailing lists, at least not like there are on usenet.
Also, usenet NG's are notorious for attracting SPAM.
But, most mailing lists are exported to certain newsgroups. For
example, the freebsd-stable mailing list is exported to
mailing.freebsd.stable, list.freebsd.stable, etc., so it's not like you
can't follow the mailing list via the exported emails on the usenet
NG's.
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From: Eirik Newth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Window Manager.
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:24:39 +0200
Joel wrote:
> Not edo ram. It'll cost me $90 for just 32 megs more at best buy, where
> can I buy it that's cheap?
You're right. For Linux-users on older machines getting more memory can be
difficult, as dealers in my experience can refuse to order older chips.
Luckily I have a used-computer shop nearby, but I still had to wait for a
week to get an expensive 32 MB EDO chip. And I was warned that the price
was set to rise even further.
As KDE and Gnome seem to be going the way of Windows, with ever more
complex apps sucking the life out of sub-200 Mhz PCs, I chose to ditch them
altogether and go for IceWM - www.icewm.org . You will be amazed at how
much more memory you get, and you can still use your favourite
applications. The interface is a combo of Gnome/Windows, but without all
the bells and whistles.
Try it out - you've got nothing to lose and megs of memory to gain by
downloading the RPMs.
Regards,
Eirik Newth
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From: Tom Steidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: automatic interpreter linking
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:46:48 +0200
hello ppl,
is it possible to link files with extensions like
.sh to the bash or .py to pyton (or .pl to perl),
without giving the interpreter path explicitly in the first line of
the file?
thnx, tom
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Linux / OSS community love mailing lists and hate news servers?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:35:46 +0200
In comp.os.linux.misc wade blazingame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Instead of a friendly, easy to use, self-archiving, self-threading news
> reader interface, most OSS projects use mailing lists to connect their
> community.
NO they don't. Sure you can be on the mailing list, or you can read the
list from a news server, or from an html gateway, or whatever.
Personally I prefer news. I gateway all my mailing lists through news
servers just so I don't have to put up with the onslaught. But other
people prefer to receive mail. or digests.
> Why must it be this way? Can someone explain this to me?
One would suspect the problem is with the person asking the question!
Gateway your incoming list mail through a local news server, if you
like your stuff served that way :-). "Berolist" springs to mind
as a convenient vehicle.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson)
Subject: Re: automatic interpreter linking
Date: 29 May 2001 09:08:36 GMT
Tom Steidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>is it possible to link files with extensions like
>.sh to the bash or .py to pyton (or .pl to perl),
>without giving the interpreter path explicitly in the first line of
>the file?
It's possible with binfmt_misc (see Documentation/binfmt_misc.txt in the
kernel source). As long as your programs will never need to be executed
on anybody else's machine who hasn't set this up, it might even be
useful for scripts.
echo ':shell:E::sh::/bin/sh:' > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/register
--
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"However, most netters acknowledge the offline world's advantages,
despite the fact that it is slow, clunky, and hogs bandwidth."
- "Surfing on the Internet", J.C. Herz
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From: cymfd3s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Knode:can not save remote file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:33:10 GMT
Robert_L wrote:
> HI,
> When trying to save a news message with Knode I get " can not save remote
> file". This happens whether I save from a new window or the view pane.
> If I press cancel then try again the file will save, though I have to type
> in
> a new name. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a bug? A feature?
> Thanks,
> Robert
Workaround: Press o or double click to open in a new window. It appears
to save then.
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to start an executable???
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 05:17:14 -0400
In article <9ev36l$7gi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "gajo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I have unpacked a game named tictac into usr/tictac. After
> installing the game just as its manual said (make, make install) I had
> the compiled game files in usr/tictac and another executable in
> usr/games. My guess was that I should start the game by running the one
> in the games directory. OK, I've tried the following:
> - double-click on it from File Manager - write "tictac"
> - write "./tictac"
> - run it from File Launcher
> ... and I've tried this with both executables (in usr/tictac and
> usr/games).
>
> What am I missing here?
you are missing the error messages you got after you tried the various
commands above. How are we supposed to know what is wrong if u don't say
what happened when you made your attempts?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carlie Coats)
Subject: Re: Best Window Manager.
Date: 28 May 2001 23:40:18 -0400
In article <9eukog$hlm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi. I'm kinda new to linux. What window manager do you guys like best? I
> like the GNOME desktop, but it seems kinda slow (slower than Windows 98). I
> only have 32 megs of ram. I installed the WindowMaker rpm, and I tried have
> GNOME use that instead of Sawfish, and it is faster, but It's still slower
> than windows. I have Redhat 7.1. Also, On the login dialog, how can I add
> Window Maker to the list of session types to start. Thanks in advance.
As others have said, more memory is a great idea... with an older machine
(like yours or mine), you may not find the memory locally but you _can_
get it on the net from Micron's memory division --
http://www.crucial.com/
And you might try even lighter-weight window managers like icewm or xfce
as well...
--Carlie Coats
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: e2fs to reiser?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:15:06 -0400
hi,
I'd like to use ReiserFS however currently i have everything running on
top of an ext2 filesystem. Although I think I could move my files onto
my Windows partition (after tarring the directories up to preserve the fs
and then moving the file over to Windows drive), format the partitions for
Reiser, and then move everything back over on top of the reiser fs i was
hoping there might be a utility that converts ext2 to reiser. Am i lucky
enough that such a utility exists? i searched on freshmeat a few days ago
and didn't find anything.
I figured that since I coudln't do anything on a mounted / partition i'd
have to reboot with a rescue disk with the reiser utils on it to reformat
and *then* restore my directory structure from the tar archive that would
be on the windows partition. Does that sound right?
thanks
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From: Robert_L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Knode:can not save remote file
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:07:17 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cymfd3s wrote:
> Robert_L wrote:
>
>> HI,
>> When trying to save a news message with Knode I get " can not save remote
>> file". This happens whether I save from a new window or the view pane.
>> If I press cancel then try again the file will save, though I have to
>> type in
>> a new name. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a bug? A feature?
>> Thanks,
>> Robert
>
> Workaround: Press o or double click to open in a new window. It appears
> to save then.
>
>
>
As I wrote above, that is exactly what I was doing but had to cancel then
try it again whereupon it would work.
BUT NOW after rebooting it seems to be working for me after one initial
failure.
Maybe I have a safety feature checked somewhere which protects against
overuse of newsgroups. Booting into windows and back reset the counter.
Didn't know about the o shortcut though- thanks.
Robert
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From: "Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sensor module for via686 motherboard (K133A)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:16:38 +0800
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Hi all, just upgraded to an Epox 8KTA3 mobo / 1Ghz AMD and can't find the
sensors module for this mobo in the kernel...
Running sensors-detect (lm_sensors rpm package) tells me to load the
kernel module via686a but this module is not in my distro (RH7.0).
Anyone using AMD/VIA K133A chipset and using temp sensors? Please help.
--
Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
6:10pm up 3 days, 21:21, 1 user, load average: 1.04, 1.04, 1.04
...In less than a century, computers will be making substantial progress on
... the overriding problem of war and peace.
-- James Slagle
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From: "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XTerm Question
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 06:28:11 -0400
In article <lyuP6.66016$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Buck
Turgidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I asked a couple of days ago about using Xterm on Win98 to access a
> linux machine. I downloaded X-Win32, and got it loaded and running.
> I've got X running on linux.
>
> When I get a session going on MS Windows, all I get is a xTerm terminal
> window, similar to telnet. I was expecting some sort of graphical
> window of KDE, as per Starnet's website.
>
> Did I miss a step here, or is this just one of the disappointments of
> life?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>
you have to export the X server display on the Linux box although I'm not sure of the
correct way to do this as i haven't done it myself. I just know that you
have to do that. Hopefully that points you in the right direction.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reino Ruusu)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: running X applications as root after /bin/su
Date: 29 May 2001 10:41:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ulf Stegemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>wroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For some reason, I can't run X applications as root after doing /bin/su
>> (permission denied). How can I fix it. My distro is Debian Potato.
>>
>> Wroot
>
>That's because root is not allowed to use your (the normal user's)
>display. This behaviour can be changed by the 'xhost' command, e.g. 'xhost +'
>(as normal user) allows connections form any user including root.
Not a very good idea. 'xhost +' actually gives everybody (also from the
network) access to your console. Try using 'su -' (opens a login shell).
It works at least on a RedHat 7.
If you don't want to do that, you can call (after 'su') 'xauth merge
~<user>/.Xauthority'.
--
Reiska
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: manipulating /etc/passwd + /etc/group
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:31:54 +0200
Claus Atzenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Heiming wrote on Dienstag, 29. Mai 2001 00:37:
>>> I realized that I have gid 501 at /etc/group for 2 users.
>>> This is probably done by accident.
>>
>> That's what groups are for,do you mix UID and GID?
> Sure. But usually every user hat its default group. I had 2 users using 1
No, this is a (bad) redhatism. Usually, users will belong to larger
groups, such as "students", "staff", etc. There is nothing wrong with
having two users in the same group. It is even normal. That's the point
of groups .. that they should contain more than one user.
I believe RH invented some scheme for fine control via groups that
depended on everyone having a singular primary group. Anyone recall
what it was?
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Leherbauer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sensor module for via686 motherboard (K133A)
Date: 29 May 2001 10:58:54 GMT
"Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all, just upgraded to an Epox 8KTA3 mobo / 1Ghz AMD and can't find the
> sensors module for this mobo in the kernel...
>
> Running sensors-detect (lm_sensors rpm package) tells me to load the
> kernel module via686a but this module is not in my distro (RH7.0).
>
> Anyone using AMD/VIA K133A chipset and using temp sensors? Please help.
I'm using kernel 2.2.16 on an MSI K7T Pro mobo (VIA KT133 chipset).
I fetched lm_sensors and i2c from http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/,
compiled and installed them separately as modules, then did
> modprobe i2c-isa
> modprobe via686a
> cat /proc/modules
via686a 8032 0
sensors 5916 0 [via686a]
i2c-isa 1212 0 (unused)
i2c-core 12796 0 [via686a sensors i2c-isa]
> sensors
via686a-isa-6000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Algorithm: ISA algorithm
CPU Core: +1.73 V (min = +1.67 V, max = +2.18 V)
I/O: +3.28 V (min = +2.97 V, max = +3.49 V)
5 V: +4.89 V (min = +4.45 V, max = +5.49 V)
12 V: +12.52 V (min = +11.45 V, max = +12.76 V)
CPU Fan: 5273 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)
CPU Temp: +41.1�C (limit = +50�C, hysteresis = +60�C)
SYS Temp: +34.2�C (limit = +40�C, hysteresis = +45�C)
SBr Temp: +23.8�C (limit = +30�C, hysteresis = +35�C)
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Registered Linux user number 215803
"Somewhere something incredible is waiting to be known."
-- Isaac Asimov
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Diez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kmix only works wothg root logged in
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:09:14 +0200
Hi there
I've the problem that kmix works really fine, when I startet my kde as root.
But if I start kde as a normal user, I get a blank kmix window.
I tried to copy the roots kmixrc file to the users config directory, but
then kmix displays:
Invalid Mixer "Sound Blaster"
I've the same sound settings in both environments. Of course this is due to
a wrong set permission. But I don't know which file is set wrong.
the arts server and xmms works also on both environments, but as normal
user I can't change the volume...
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