Linux-Misc Digest #103, Volume #28 Wed, 13 Jun 01 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: What to use to write my thesis? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Kernel messages: is it really hd? (Kwan Lowe)
Re: What to use to write my thesis? (Robert Heller)
Re: where is this kernel code? (Robert Heller)
Re: What ot use for product documentation ( was: What to use to write my thesis?)
(Robert Heller)
what is the format of a mp3 cd? (Ronald Cole)
just screwed mandrake 7.2...... ("James")
Really weird system hang upon bootup (Thomas Suiter)
Re: is WINE super slow? (Dances With Crows)
Re: mnt vfat (Dances With Crows)
Re: What to use to write my thesis? (Martha H Adams)
Re: is WINE super slow? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Running application as ROOT from gnome ("MondoTrasho")
Re: How to get bigger files? (Brandon McCombs)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc,comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: What to use to write my thesis?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:55:35 -0500
Wroot wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering what software or standars people would recommend for writing
> technical scientific papers and a thesis?
>
> If I understand correctly, the main options are MS Word and LaTeX. If I
> choose the former, I'll have to find a Windows machine or a Mac (I prefer
> Linux and FreeBSD). OTOH, LaTeX requires considerable learning.
>
> Thanks
>
> Wroot
My son started at a Sun workstation, knowing very little about
how to use it and nothing about LaTeX, and six weeks later
(or maybe it was three weeks later) he had a complete thesis
done. It was a mathematics thesis which is generally harder
than theses in other disciplines because of the complicated
LaTeX formatting of mathematics that is often necessary.
So if you put your mind to it, you should be able to do it
and then you will know LaTeX. If you use Word, you won't
end up knowing much more than when you started.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
------------------------------
From: Kwan Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel messages: is it really hd?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:17:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc rennix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> Jun 12 20:08:43 max kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
> SeekComplete Error }
There's an option for Multi_Mode in the kernel rebuild that addresses
this error:
-----
CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE:
If you get this error, try to say Y here:
hda: set_multmode: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error
hda: set_multmode: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
-----
So, you're probably correct in changing a setting in hdparm. Try
changing the multi-mode option first though.
------------------------------
From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What to use to write my thesis?
Date: 14 Jun 2001 00:41:38 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wroot),
In a message on 13 Jun 2001 10:01:05 -0700, wrote :
W> Hi,
W>
W> I'm wondering what software or standars people would recommend for writing
W> technical scientific papers and a thesis?
LaTeX is best for *scientific* papers.
W>
W> If I understand correctly, the main options are MS Word and LaTeX. If I
W> choose the former, I'll have to find a Windows machine or a Mac (I prefer
W> Linux and FreeBSD). OTOH, LaTeX requires considerable learning.
MS-Word cannot handle large documents -- it tends to crash and burn once
the document gets over a certain size.
MS-Word cannot *properly* typeset mathematical equations. *NO WORD
PROCESSOR* handles mathematical equations *correctly* AFAIK. (There is
one product that typesets mathematical equations using a TeX 'engine' --
it is actually using a versions TeX or LaTeX!).
LaTeX is *not* really hard to learn. You just have to type stuff. Like
\chapter{This is a chapter} or \begin{itemize} \item One item
\end{itemize}. Yes, mathmode is non-trivial, but not really that hard.
*Some* people have the idea that *typing* is hard and moving a mouse is
easy. Yes, there are a bunch of commands to remember, but 99% of those
commands happen to be English words. And mean the same thing. I have
never understood how it can be hard to remember that you start a chapter
with the command
\chapter{Name of chapter}
for example. Most LaTeX commands you would *commonly* use are like this.
LaTeX runs on *all* flavors of UNIX (including Linux and FreeBSD). It
also runs on MS-Windows and MacOS as well. It is free. It will handle
documents up to the size of your file system! I once did a 100+ page
software reference manual on an Atari 1040ST running OS-9/68K. This was
a 10mhz 68000 system with all of 1meg of RAM and a 40meg hard drive.
W>
W> Thanks
W>
W> Wroot
W>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
------------------------------
From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is this kernel code?
Date: 14 Jun 2001 00:41:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aravindh),
In a message on 13 Jun 2001 15:21:44 -0700, wrote :
A> hi,
A>
A> i was looking for the code in the kernel where it displays "Press 'I'
A> to enter interactive..." and I am just not able to find it. Also where
A> is the code once the system goes into interactive mode. For ex - where
A> is the code for "Start service kudzu (Y)es/(N)o/(C)ontinue?"
It is NOT part of the kernel, it is part of init.
The script that runs kudzu lives under /etc/rc.d/init.d/
A>
A> thanks
A> aravindh
A>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
------------------------------
From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What ot use for product documentation ( was: What to use to write my
thesis?)
Date: 14 Jun 2001 00:41:42 GMT
Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:32:38 -0400, wrote :
D> I have a similar question, but my situation is that I need to write
D> product documentation on an application I created. The documentation
D> will have a number screen shots, etc. I have used StarOffice 5.2, but
D> will be happy to take the time to learn LaTex if most of you think this
D> is a better choice.
I use LaTeX. One extra goodie: I use doc++ (a documentation extractor
for C++) to pull internal documentation out of C++ header files to
create C++ internals / interface documentation -- doc++ can generate a
LaTeX file from a collection of properly documentation C++ header files.
I use SWIG for my Tcl <=> C/C++ interface code and SWIG can also
generate LaTeX source for this part of a package. I also have a Tcl
script, Tcl2tex, which I use to extract documentation from Tcl scripts.
I use GIMP to capture the screen shots, I then convert them to GIF files
and use xv to create EPS files (xv will 'compress' GIF images when it
page them into EPS, using a form of run-length-encoding, with is very
appropriate for screen shots). LaTeX is happy to incorporate EPS
graphics files.
I can totally automate the documentation prepration for my software
packages, including generation of table of contents, lists of figures
and tables, indexes, bibliographies, etc. The *internals* documents are
completely generated from the actual source code -- this means if I
change the code, I can update the documentation (it is right there in
the editor right by the code itself) -- the internals docs are *always*
100% in sync with the code itself. Doing a global 'make' rebuilds
whatever internals manual is affected. This is a wonderful thing for me
-- I'm one of those 'lazy' programmers who hates to write documentation.
D>
D> Speaking of StarOffice, what did they use to write "StarOffice 5.2
D> Companion"? While my document will only be 1/8 the size, I like the
D> format and style and want to do something similar.
D>
D>
D> Thanks,
D> Dennis
D>
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
------------------------------
From: Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: what is the format of a mp3 cd?
Date: 13 Jun 2001 17:48:43 -0700
I like the idea of putting nearly 700 minutes of music on one cd and
so I've been considering getting a cd player that can play mp3 files
stored on a cd. I'd like to create such a cd to take with me to demo
some players, but I don't know the layout on the disc.
I gather it's just a directory tree structure that I convert to iso9660
with mkisofs and burn onto a cd with cdrecord, but I have some questions.
What is the tree structure supposed look like? How does an mp3 cd
player know where to start playing mp3 files on the disc? What are
the file names supposed to look like? Can I use rock ridge extensions
for long file names?
Is there a HOWTO or a FAQ for creating an mp3 cd on linux? I've spent
an hour looking on google, but couldn't find any pertinent information
(other than a suggestion to use "MusicMatch Jukebox" on Windows;
bleah).
--
Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412
Ronald Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: (760) 499-9142
President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152
My GPG fingerprint: C3AF 4BE9 BEA6 F1C2 B084 4A88 8851 E6C8 69E3 B00B
------------------------------
From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: just screwed mandrake 7.2......
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:09:18 GMT
"James Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Saying unsatisfied dependencies
>> "libkdefakes.so.3,libmng.so.0" does that mean i need to install the
>> related files?
>yup
>> is because this package so new that my kde2.0 can't
>> support it?
> first, open source is not static, and developers generally use the latest
> libraries. These can change daily. They also tend to use libraries not
> included in staandard distros. Look at the rpm docs, and study the
'update'
> option well. The new install may well conflict with an older library,
which
> is required by your present software.
> Welcome to Linux. With no large corporation periodically releasing OS
> versions, it is up to the luser to build or hunt down dependant packages
if
> you want to stay on the bleeding edge.
Now the mandrake 7.2's been screwed...
i found there is a package update app located in application-->package.
after updating it( did some skip and force updates for some reason when got
dozen prompts).
anyway, i got some issues here..
1. if there are a lot dependency problem which require me to update bunch of
package, is it worth to do it.. cause i got prompt that i need
"libkdefakes.so.3,libmng.so.0" while installing kmailcv.when i download
libkdefakes.so.3 it says i need "qt" .. since i am using mandrake 7.2.. and
mandrake 8.0 has steped out. i am gonna read the new features for mandrake
8.0 see if it worth getting md8.0 installed..
2.why mandrake 7.2 lack so many app???��such as pine,gcc, pico.(wondering if
i can use the "custom" installation to have those app filled in my machine?)
i heard md7.2 is prerelease version and even the kde2.0 is in beta state..
Now i have redhat 7.1 in hand.. but i still wanna give mandrake another
try..worth it?
any thoughts��folks ???
James
------------------------------
From: Thomas Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Really weird system hang upon bootup
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:11:23 GMT
I get a "No setup signature found" error message just after the kernel
is loaded. This only happens when I enable console redirect on the
motherboard (make/model details below); when I turn it off it boots
fine, turn it on it fails. I've tried just about every combination of
comport I/O & irq available. If I disable the com port I have the
console redirect assigned to, the system will boot, but I also do not
get any console output.
I believe the error message that I get comes from the
arch/i386/boot/setup.S code from the linux kernel, which gleaning the
comments is where linux starts talking with the bios.
I'm completely perplexed, if it weren't for the fact that this same
behavior occurs on four other systems, I'd say it was something bad in
this one.
Any help, would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Thomas Suiter
Intel L440GX motherboard
PhoenixBios 4.0 Release 6.0
L440GX0.86B.0127.P13.0009121231
Production Release 13.1
2x PIII 800 Mhz
2 Gb Ram
Mylex Dac9600 (accelraid 250) Controller
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: is WINE super slow?
Date: 14 Jun 2001 01:33:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:30:40 -0400, Marc Ulrich staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>I installed Corel's photopaint 9 (b/c I'm used to corel & think it is
>easier than the Gimp) for linux on my Redhat 7.0 / 2.4.2 kernel.
>However, the windowing runs extremely slowly (meaning dialog boxes,
>menus, etc.) Is this a standard problem with the WINE or is it possibly
>something in photopaint? My system is a Pentium III 800Mhz running
>XFree86 4.0.3 on a Matrox G400 dualhead, 32MB.
...er, hang on. Is this Photopaint for 'Doze running under Wine, or is
this a Linux binary of Photopaint? If it's a non-native binary under
Wine, things will run very slowly no matter what you do, though you can
tweak some things in ~/.wine/config to try and speed stuff up.
If this is a native Linux binary, it's something with the application
itself. Have you tried starting it from an xterm and watching to see if
any error or diagnostic messages pop up on said xterm?
Alternatively, spend a few days learning GIMP. It's quite nice if you
aren't doing fancy prepress work that requires exact CMYK matching.
Plus, GIMP will still be around when Corel goes belly-up.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best
http://www.brainbench.com / friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
=============================/ to read. ==Groucho Marx
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: mnt vfat
Date: 14 Jun 2001 01:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13 Jun 2001 11:21:57 -0700, Dave staggered into the Black Sun and
said:
>Successfully mounted a vfat partition in Linux. Can't write to it
>though...
>what's the right line to put in /etc/fstab
Well, *somebody* can write to it. Do an "ls -l" on the VFAT partition
you mounted, and notice that the files are all owned by the same user
and group (root.root if you mounted the filesystem automagically at boot
time.) The default umask when mounting a partition that doesn't have
permissions (VFAT, NTFS, SMB...) is 022. There is a umask= parameter in
/etc/fstab that you can set to 000 , allowing everyone to write to the
VFAT partition.
Or you can do as another poster suggested and add "user,noauto" to the
options field in /etc/fstab. This will allow a user to mount the
partition, and when they do so, all the files on the partition will be
owned by them. However, the users will have to mount the partition
manually, which might be a pain for them.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best
http://www.brainbench.com / friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark
=============================/ to read. ==Groucho Marx
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.word-proc,comp.text.tex
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martha H Adams)
Subject: Re: What to use to write my thesis?
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:42:46 GMT
Hi, Wroot. I think you are at a very important branch point in your life
career. TeX/Latex vs Microsoft Word, very different consequences for one
choice or the other.
Microsoft Word might be the best choice if you are going to be working in
a business environment here in America.
But for an engineering or science kind of work, in America or anywhere else,
I think TeX/Latex wins over all. Not because it costs less; not because it
will prove easier to learn and to use, but because it's more powerful and
effective; and because that's what almost everyone else in these fields
will be using. You can also look for better support from usenet and web
resources. Read around in this newsgroup for a few weeks and follow up to
some of the places mentioned, and you'll see that.
Whichever one you choose, by the time you finish your thesis, you'll be
pretty strong with it. Having got up over the learning curve knee with
the one, you may not be interested in doing another learning curve with
the other. So I think, you want to scout around and see what people are
using in fields related to where you're going.
A very important point to some people, is whether the software gives you
a picture as you write, of what you are writing. Wordprocessors do that,
and some people feel they just cannot live without it. TeX/LaTeX, on
the other hand, are written in ascii characters, it's all on the screen,
but it's source code. Some people seem unable to cope with this.
My own experience is, I'm a plain TeX person. I expect the TeX software
will read the source I write and make it up into pages that will look
alright. It was quite amazing to me, at first, how very well the default
TeX did this; and in twenty years, it's only got better. To my eye, the
various wordprocessors out there generally do something badly; but I've
noticed the people who use them seem blind to tiny details and they don't
care.
As for proofing the work I do, it's not a problem. If the TeX code looks
right, it will be right. So I will do a large project and then print it
out to see what it looks like; but nowadays, you probably can do this on
the screen.
So you see, I came down hard on the TeX/LaTeX side, and I've never
regretted it. But I think your best choice is, what are the people going
to expect of you, where you're going? Which kind of skill is going to
fit best there?
Cheers -- Martha Adams
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: is WINE super slow?
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:44:09 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:30:40 -0400, Marc Ulrich
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, the windowing runs extremely slowly (meaning dialog boxes,
> menus, etc.) Is this a standard problem with the WINE or is it possibly
> something in photopaint?
I don't use Photopaint, but the few Windows apps I run with wine seem
fine.
> My system is a Pentium III 800Mhz running
> XFree86 4.0.3 on a Matrox G400 dualhead, 32MB.
You've actually got an 800 MHz cpu but only 32 MB of RAM? That could
be part of the problem right there. Things like image editors tend to
use a lot of memory. Use "free" to see how much is swapped out.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
------------------------------
From: "MondoTrasho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Running application as ROOT from gnome
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:48:45 GMT
Thanks, I'll give it a try.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ulrich Brachvogel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MondoTrasho wrote:
>
>> I have an application (a perl script, actually) that needs to run as
>> root. Normally, I just open up a terminal window from Gnome and type
>> "su -c myapp", then supply the password. What I would really like to be
>> able to do is to add this application to my Favorites menu, so I can
>> run it without opening up a terminal. I haven't been able to figure out
>> how to do this. Any suggestions? Thanks.
>>
> sudo id your friend. You have t mak an entry in /etc/sudoers with your
> user account from where you want to run the application requesting to be
> run by root.
> TTFN Ulrich
>
> ---
> <O
> \\__///
> /\ Save the curlew!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:09:24 -0400
From: Brandon McCombs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to get bigger files?
>
> Grr. Uninformed people making this mistake are missing a number of
> points that would allow them to fix things:
>
> 0. The limitation is twofold and is not filesystem dependent.
> 1. The limitation arises from the decision to store some things in
> processor-native data types in kernel 2.2 and 2.0.
> 2. The x86 architecture uses a 32-bit int for many things.
> 3. Therefore, on older kernels on the x86 architecture, file size is
> limited to the values you can store in a 32-bit signed int.
> 4. Older glibc and all the programs linked against it inherit this
> 32-bit signed int limitation, leading to the 2G problem. It never was a
> problem on 64-bit architectures like Alpha and Sparc.
>
> So, what can you do? Upgrade the kernel to 2.4.5, recompile your glibc
> against the new kernel, and recompile the applications you use against
> this new glibc. Then everything will use 64 bits for file sizes and
> file position offsets, and you can have 2T files.
>
> The fact that you're using RH 7.1 and having this problem surprises me.
> We have a server running a stock RedHat 7.0 install, and just yesterday,
> I created a 5G file on its disk. No problems at all. Check RedHat's
> website, search for "large file", see what you find? It would not
> surprise me if there were a few RPMs you could download for large file
> support.
>
> (BTW, Jonas, ReiserFS has its own filesize limitation, but it's 4G.
> ext2's limit is 2T. Next time, make sure you know what you're talking
> about before posting, OK?)
>
Take your own advice. Reiser 3.6 has a FS limitation of 17 gigs (only
b/c of the page cache limits it to that value) and the max size for an
individual file is also 17 gigs for the same reason. The extended limit
is actually 1152921504 gigs.
Version 3.5 had the old limitation.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.misc.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Misc Digest
******************************
