Ühel kenal päeval, P, 31.08.2014 kell 10:43, kirjutas Simos Xenitellis: > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Manuel Braga [email protected]> > wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:59:48 +0300 Simos Xenitellis > > [email protected]> wrote: > >
> > Why Luc, and not me, or any other else? > Because it is Luc that behaves like a dick. He somehow read "fork" > in my comment. Luc is someone who has "invested" a lot of time to keep things under control and nicely organized. Please do not call him like that. Or eventually we might need to get lawyers involved in areas other than GPL-compliance.. > He did not read "Be civil and accommodating. If we get sourcecode > dumps, then all the best. > If we get source for individual drivers, then this is also useful." > I do not know what will be offered by AW. They might even have > source tarballs available. We already have those things called sourcecode dumps. Unfortunately these do not always build properly and also contain funny binary blob thingies that unfortunately is the reason for the lawyer involvement. As you can probably see from this page: http://linux-sunxi.org/Mainlining_Effort#Work_In_Progress this community has so far been able to work together and move on quite nicely using the available source code dumps and technical documentation (usually provided from 3rd-party vendors). > My guess is that they would not want to let themselves get into a > quagmire. > As it is now, it looks to be a quagmire. This quagmire started brewing already in March. This is when contact person in AW went AWOL. Basically just after that big announcement about the involvement in the open source community... > > Because was only him, that took the trouble to document in the > > wiki the > > "license compliance issues" that were already know more than 1 > > year ago. > > And to have pointed that this "license compliance issues" is a > > stopper > > * to the progression of the mainline work > > * to have serious companies(that care about respecting licenses) > > take > > allwinner socs serious > > > That work has been very useful. Thank you Luc! > It actually helps so that we can ask to have either tarballs of all > the source, > OR the source for those individual drivers. "Whichever is your > convenience". There are certain rules when using and customizing GPL-licensed software. > > Look at this > > http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/08/26/allwinner-a80-linux-sdk-released/ > > read the comments, who will take allwinner serious? > > > It has been mentioned already that the Android version that comes > with the OptimusBoardhas, > has Linux 3.4.x, with no big.LITTLE support. > With mainline support, the A80 might be able to shine and try to > capture the server market. > > > We, this community, can help allwinner find solutions to resolve > > this > > mess, only allwinner needs to have the "will" to actually > > listening to > > us. > > > I think they are more than willing to work with linux-sunxi. > Because at least the mainline support for the A80 makes financial > sense to them. > > The issue is, listen to "whom" in particular? > The actions of Luc on the sunxi wiki, the lawsuits are his attempt > to "embarrass" AW. Noone has talked about lawsuits. These are "bug reports". If you know a better place to report them (either Linaro or Allwinner bug tracker), please let us know. > If we, as a community, develop a civil and accommodating attitude, > then I believe that AW will > open up and will be much more forthcoming. > If we are a liability to them, then it will hurt them financially, > and also make the work here much more difficult. People here are already doing difficult work trying to reverse engineer how the hardware works and write a proper mainline driver. > > Have a look at > https://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/linux-rockchip-info-wiki-site-is-created-to-collect-info-about-rockchip-socs/ > where Rockchip just last year was: > "Rockchip is way more closed than Allwinner, they do not understand > open source and Linux and are in the same state of mind like > Allwinner 2 years ago." > "Rockchip is still in the stone age, they require NDA and $5000 to > send you SDK for building Android images which even have no sources > inside but binary blobs." > > I do not know what changed with Rockchip since last year and now > they are doing much better work. They didn't join Linaro. ;) And it seems that they got some of their in-house developers actually involved with community. And it was probably way cheaper. > But I do not think that being a dick to them, led them to open up > and become a better member in the free and open-source community. So let me wrap things up. What this community needs from Allwinner is following: * Someone who is able to respond to technical questions about drivers * Documentation about the SoC components * And eventually clean up the GPL-compliance mess Even small bits of information (at least when dealing with registers) would be extremely helpful. Priit Laes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
