On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:43:44 +0300 Simos Xenitellis <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Manuel Braga <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:59:48 +0300 Simos Xenitellis > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It has been said already that there are two main options: > > > > > > 1. Start working at once with the AW engineers to send upstream > > > any code that is missing (Linux kernel drivers, make upstream > > > u-boot work with all AW SoCs, etc). As a resource, those two > > > Linux kernel engineers from AW are available to help now. The > > > access to the AW kernel engineers is the most important resource. > > > Then, the GPL issues would be gradually resolved. > > > > > > 2. Get AW to spend resources to go through and vet tarballs of > > > source code. I suppose it would take a lot of resources from AW, > > > the result would be old versions of the source code and we would > > > not have started yet to talk to the engineers. > > > This option is a painful option, and should only be the last > > > option. > > > > > > In both options, the end result would probably be the same, > > > however Option 1 will get results faster and is the most > > > beneficial for the future of the community. > > > > > > As a community, it makes sense to try Option 1 and see where it > > > gets us in, let's say, three months. If we do not get any > > > results, then many more may choose to go for Option 2. > > > > > > It worries me however that for Option 1, Luc will make this list a > > > living hell. He will sabotage any effort in order not to be proved > > > "wrong". In this sense, it would be silly for an AW engineer to > > > join the list and attempt to discuss here. I can already predict > > > endless questions about licensing towards the engineers (these > > > are not for the engineers to discuss). > > > > Why Luc, and not me, or any other else? > > > > Because it is Luc that behaves like a dick. He somehow read "fork" in > my comment.
That is what to expect from him, because always he takes for himself the unpleasant matters that he feels must be done, and them gets with all the shit thrown at him. If he is right or wrong, i don't know. But why nobody else does it? Then he would not have anything to complain other than why isn't anyone writing a kms display driver. > He did not read "Be civil and accommodating. If we get sourcecode > dumps, then all the best. > If we get source for individual drivers, then this is also useful." > I do not know what will be offered by AW. They might even have source > tarballs available. > My guess is that they would not want to let themselves get into a > quagmire. As it is now, it looks to be a quagmire. > > Because was only him, that took the trouble to document in the wiki > the > > "license compliance issues" that were already know more than 1 year > > ago. And to have pointed that this "license compliance issues" is a > > stopper > > * to the progression of the mainline work > > * to have serious companies(that care about respecting licenses) > > take allwinner socs serious > > > > > That work has been very useful. Thank you Luc! > It actually helps so that we can ask to have either tarballs of all > the source, > OR the source for those individual drivers. "Whichever is your > convenience". > > > > Look at this > > http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/08/26/allwinner-a80-linux-sdk-released/ > > read the comments, who will take allwinner serious? > > > > > It has been mentioned already that the Android version that comes > with the OptimusBoardhas, > has Linux 3.4.x, with no big.LITTLE support. > With mainline support, the A80 might be able to shine and try to > capture the server market. > > We, this community, can help allwinner find solutions to resolve this > > mess, only allwinner needs to have the "will" to actually listening > > to us. > > > > > I think they are more than willing to work with linux-sunxi. > Because at least the mainline support for the A80 makes financial > sense to them. More than words. > > The issue is, listen to "whom" in particular? > The actions of Luc on the sunxi wiki, the lawsuits are his attempt to > "embarrass" AW. Correct me if i am wrong. But if i recall correctly in this last 2 years that i have been following this community. The emotive reply by Jon Smirl 4 days ago was the first time i heard speaking about "lawsuits" and allwinner. And now also from you. If you or anyone else, doesn't like for any reason anything that is in our wiki, then as this is a community you or anyone else has the right to change it. By correcting, or improving, or simply deleting. > If we, as a community, develop a civil and accommodating attitude, > then I believe that AW will > open up and will be much more forthcoming. > If we are a liability to them, then it will hurt them financially, > and also make the work here much more difficult. Allwinner is a chinese company. We all know that. > > Have a look at > https://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/linux-rockchip-info-wiki-site-is-created-to-collect-info-about-rockchip-socs/ > where Rockchip just last year was: > "Rockchip is way more closed than Allwinner, they do not understand > open source and Linux and are in the same state of mind like > Allwinner 2 years ago." > "Rockchip is still in the stone age, they require NDA and $5000 to > send you SDK for building Android images which even have no sources > inside but binary blobs." > > I do not know what changed with Rockchip since last year and now they > are doing much better work. * collaboration with intel * google using its socs * jealousy of not having a community(this is popular nowadays) capable by itself to spawn lots of boards makers using its socs, and able to do a great job at mainlining. But the question is, does allwinner wants to waste all this community work and be an all loser. > But I do not think that being a dick to them, led them to open up and > become a better member in the free and open-source community. As the subject of this thread says, let's move forward. > > Simos > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
