> there is some validity to that view, but OTOH think about all the info
> that can be collected about you, and how invasive it is. 
> 
> a good example is credit information - Bay Corp and the like collect an
> awful lot of data

There is some intersting and disturbing reading in the July issue of
IEEE spectrum magazine (www.spectrum.ieee.org), if you can get them:

The all-seeing eye, p.7
Sensors and sensibility, p. 18
We like to watch, p. 27

Basically, they're arguing that everything should be again like it was
in the caves, where everyone knew who was bonking who. They're also
saying that it's a lot like that already, and that technology in that
direction can't be stopped. Gives a scary view of what "data mining"
means these days. It's a multi-billion market.

> sis, especially after Chaudry/Small/Zaoui etc), but I have no love of
> serious crims dumping hard drugs on kids, or planes on tall buildings
> either). 

Feel happy about the cops walking in your door any time, saying "if you
don't give us your gpg pass phrases you'll go staight to prison" (like
in the UK)?

> I don't necessarily think this if off topic a list that deals in "open"
> software and the allied concepts.

ACK^3

I disagree with ESR's argument though that owning guns should be a
right of personal freedom. There are nutters everywhere, in the USA
they have guns...

Volker

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