hell no if i could afford a mac i'd keep it for myself....

seriously thats a very very good idea!

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:27:07 +1300
Hugo Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Get them a Mac.
> 
> 
> On 29/11/2004, at 12:09 PM, Derek Smithies wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >   For the sake of the discussion, I will use the phrase, "my parents".
> > In fact, I am referring to a potential new linux user, who maybe
> > any age. The reason I ask, is that I have had this conversation with
> > many people, and wondered what the consensus is.
> >
> > My parents have a win 95 machine, that is loaded down with avg etc etc,
> > and cannot send email.
> >
> > what do you think would best suit my parents.
> >     semi computer literate.
> >     long term exposure to windows 95
> >     notion of folders/directories is a bit vague
> >
> >     they need a)email, b)webbrowsing, c)office.   "
> >
> > Here is the sticky bit:
> >  However, given that
> >   a) they are in Invercargill
> >   b) cannot be bothered with joining a *lug group
> >   c) expect to have something that "just" works.
> >
> >
> > Let me explain the requirements.
> >  They are in Invercargill, so a support trip is not easy. For that 
> > matter,
> > they could be in Christchurch, but I cannot see them for the next 4 
> > days.
> > So, the actual amount of my support required better be low low.
> >
> > The are not going to joing  *lug group to get help. No way are they 
> > going
> > to download 10-100 messages a day, filter out the non useful answers 
> > etc.
> > yes, filters "work", but they cannot be bothered with installing/using
> > them.
> > Worse, some of the answers are intensely time consuming.
> > Video problems?  Ah, go read www.xfree86.org, or, search google
> >
> > When you buy an appliance from the store, you take it home, plug it in,
> > and it just works. Breadmakers, video recorders, cars take minimal 
> > effort
> > to get going.
> > Why is the same not true of computers?
> >
> >
> > ==================================
> > In an offline discussion, Nick made the comment::
> >
> > yes its annoying that they haven't made a computer that just works yet.
> >
> > certainly microsoft is not the answer for them, given this post i read
> > this morning on nzlug.
> >
> > http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2004/11/0394.html
> >
> > Its that damn flexibilty thing, it implies complication.
> >
> > I wiuld try ubuntu, it gives them a straight up sensible defaults for
> > browsing (firefox) , email (evolution) and it has  OOo. They do not 
> > need
> > to choose between konqueror, mozilla and firefox, nor between kmail, 
> > evo
> > and mutt, nor between abiword, lyx and OOo.
> >
> > Its the sort of thing that would require a newer computer if they 
> > bought
> > their last one with w95. Its also the sort of thing that you'd want to
> > spend the weekend with them installing and explaining, but they should
> > be able to grok firefox, evolution and OOo if they have used the MS 
> > fare.
> >
> > Are guis ever going to change? apart from getting prettier, the point.
> > click, drag concept has been pretty constant for a while now.....
> >
> > =============================
> > Derek.
> >
> > -- 
> > Derek Smithies Ph.D.                           This PC runs pine on 
> > linux for email
> > IndraNet Technologies Ltd.                     If you find a virus 
> > apparently from me, it has
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]                    forged  the e-mail 
> > headers on someone else's machine
> > ph +64 3 365 6485                              Please do not notify me 
> > when (apparently) receiving a
> > Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/     windows virus from 
> > me......
> >

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