On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:51:21PM -0000, Gary wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Linux Canuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
Woah folks--firstly, neither one of you have mailers that post
correctly, so even following this argument is confusing.
Sorry to sound so elitest, but shoot--I have no idea who said waht.
So, I'm snipping it all. Both of you folks might consider others
reading, and consider snipping too, but what the heck.
Sudo isn't bad. Windows can be made secure by skilled admins, but is
less secure by default.
As for eliminating root login, as Alan Cox said, on a developer mailing
list when Fedora was discussing it (that's not an accurate description
of the problem, if anyone is interested, google) "What's the point, to
make it completely impossible to recover a borked machine?"
Anyway...
There's a saying that Unix doesn't stop you from doing stupid things
because that would stop you from doing smart things. Unfortunately,
especially with the influx of new folks, as Linux has gotten easier to
use, the developers get caught between rocks and hard places--trying to
protect the beginner while allowing the experienced to do what they want
to do.
The BSDs on the other hand, allow the user to do what they want--there
are default limitations, such as a non-wheel group member being unable
to su, but basically, they leave it up to you to protect or destroy your
machine.
I dislike most things that try to protect me from myself. In general,
yes, I think one should use sudo. Ubuntu and company have done very
well at setting it up by default so that the user almost never needs
root--until something goes wrong with Gnome's printer config, and the
only way to fix it is with the cups web interface, which requires a root
password.
Best practice in those distros and O/S's that don't protect you from
yourself is to use sudo when possible and do as little as possible as
root. As one of you folks said, I have no idea who, as neither mailer
quotes correctly, it's not sudo that's dangerous, it's people that are.
However, as has been said, making something idiot proof is
futile--nature will always build a better idiot.
Anyway, let's all try to go out and pet a kitten or puppy before we type
something mean to others. There are honest disagreements between folks,
but people can discuss differences of opinion without being so gosh darn
ornery.
Peace, love, Woodstock and all that good stuff that you folks are
probably too young to remember....
--
Scott Robbins
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