What's a 'wheel' or 'non-wheel' user? Been using Linux a couple of years and never heard that term. Thanks.
-- Regards, Donald Cooley Registered Linux user 444909 -- Cahn's Axiom: When all else fails, read the instructions. On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Scott wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:51:21PM -0000, Gary wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Linux Canuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > Woah folks--firstly, neither one of you have mailers that post > correctly, so even following this argument is confusing. > > Sorry to sound so elitest, but shoot--I have no idea who said waht. > > So, I'm snipping it all. Both of you folks might consider others > reading, and consider snipping too, but what the heck. > > Sudo isn't bad. Windows can be made secure by skilled admins, but is > less secure by default. > > As for eliminating root login, as Alan Cox said, on a developer mailing > list when Fedora was discussing it (that's not an accurate description > of the problem, if anyone is interested, google) "What's the point, to > make it completely impossible to recover a borked machine?" > > Anyway... > > There's a saying that Unix doesn't stop you from doing stupid things > because that would stop you from doing smart things. Unfortunately, > especially with the influx of new folks, as Linux has gotten easier to > use, the developers get caught between rocks and hard places--trying to > protect the beginner while allowing the experienced to do what they want > to do. > > The BSDs on the other hand, allow the user to do what they want--there > are default limitations, such as a non-wheel group member being unable > to su, but basically, they leave it up to you to protect or destroy your > machine. > > I dislike most things that try to protect me from myself. In general, > yes, I think one should use sudo. Ubuntu and company have done very > well at setting it up by default so that the user almost never needs > root--until something goes wrong with Gnome's printer config, and the > only way to fix it is with the cups web interface, which requires a root > password. > > Best practice in those distros and O/S's that don't protect you from > yourself is to use sudo when possible and do as little as possible as > root. As one of you folks said, I have no idea who, as neither mailer > quotes correctly, it's not sudo that's dangerous, it's people that are. > > However, as has been said, making something idiot proof is > futile--nature will always build a better idiot. > > Anyway, let's all try to go out and pet a kitten or puppy before we type > something mean to others. There are honest disagreements between folks, > but people can discuss differences of opinion without being so gosh darn > ornery. > > Peace, love, Woodstock and all that good stuff that you folks are > probably too young to remember.... > > -- > Scott Robbins > PGP keyID EB3467D6 > ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 > > Mayor Wilkins: I have two words that are going to make all your > troubles go away. 'Miniature Golf.' > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] & you will be removed.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LINUX_Newbies/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
