Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What I
> do not understand from anyone is the desire to start another group
> without hashing out the issues they have with the charter.

Well, a charter that *I* would like to see (for any social group in any
locality on any topic) would be very very different, and would run along
the lines of:

1. The purpose of the group is to bring together people in $GEO_AREA
   interested in $TOPIC.

2. Every person without exception who expresses an interest in $TOPIC
   and is able and willing to attend and participate in events in
   $GEO_AREA has an entitlement right to be a member of the group.  No
   person who expresses interest in $TOPIC and shows up at the physical
   events may be denied group membership for ANY reason, even if that
   person is a terrorist, a serial killer, a cannibal, a child molester
   or the world's most evil, most horrible and most disgusting person.

3. No group member may exercise any dictatorial powers over any other
   member.  In particular, no member can ever ban or remove any other
   member from the group, and no member may ever restrict or moderate
   any other member's speech under any circumstances for any reason.

That's a pretty simple template charter for an Ultimate Free For All
group, and it is my firm conviction that every social group on any topic
in any locality should be like that.

David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> wrote:

> I still don't know what you're somehow thinking you have lost.

I believe that an injury to one is an injury to all.  Although I have
not been on the receiving end of any mailing list moderation stick
myself yet, I have heard that other group members have been subjected to
wrongful moderation on the list, and that is absolutely Wrong and
unacceptable.

Any kind of governmental structure in the group that allows a particular
"lord" or clique of "lords" to ban members or seekers from the mailing
list or from the physical meetings is nothing short of utmost
reprehensible tyranny, and it is my duty to rebel in the most violent
manner against any such developments, even if the person on the
receiving end of the stick is someone I barely know or don't know at all
as in the present case.

MS
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