David,
One of the good things of RIRs (IMHO) is the policy process and their
self-regulation, however that is also their Achilles heel when you need
something really quick and easy.
It is true that you would need an individual or a group of them to make
a policy to mandate the RIRs to and it would take at least a few months
(to several months if the community do not find the policy appealing).
May be RIRs are not the perfect fit for EIDs, but what other mechanisms
to support registration and services?
A business org providing them as Jeff suggest? (I do not agree with him
and do not buy his arguments BTW)
IANA?
My suggestion to the draft authors would be to identify as Joel
suggested the requirements of the assignment of EIDs. Then contact RIRs
communities to see how good or bad is the idea to task RIRs with the
allocation of this new resources. Depending on that we could move forward.
Regards,
as
On 04/03/2013 22:22, David Conrad wrote:
> Arturo,
>
> On Mar 4, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Arturo Servin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Under which policies would the RIRs allocate EIDs?
>> A new policy would be needed.
>
> Which would require someone to go to each of the RIRs and initiate a policy
> proposal that says the RIRs undertake allocation/registration of EIDs. During
> the discussion of the policy, I suspect RIR staff would be asked "how much
> will this cost", which will result in staff going back and coming up with
> numbers that are fed into the policy deliberations which are then voted on
> (one way or another) at an RIR meeting. My impression is that this isn't a
> particularly quick exercise. Would you be able to provide an estimate on how
> long you think it'll take for each of the RIRs?
>
> Also, if some RIRs approve of getting into the EID Leasing business and some
> don't, does that mean the enterprises that live in the regions served by RIRs
> that don't want to hand out EIDs can't participate in the LISP experiments?
>
>>> Wouldn't acceptance of EID allocation/registration services require the
>>> initiation of an open policy development process since EID
>>> allocation/registration services would be a _new_ service offered by the
>>> RIRs?
>> Possibly, but, would it be very different than when RIRs started allocating
>> IPv6?
>
> Good question. My impression is that IPv6 allocations started to occur before
> policy definition processes became relatively heavyweight, but I might be
> misremembering.
>
>>> Has that open policy development process been proposed in any of the RIRs
>>> yet?
>> No, but if somebody could just start asking in the RIRs PDP if this
>> could be a good idea or not.
>>
>> If LISP has value for the community it may be not very hardto get a
>> policy.
>
> To be honest, I'm still not convinced that it makes sense to partition EID
> space on geo-political boundaries. Do you think there is are any reasons to
> do so?
>
>>> Do the memberships of the RIRs think that RIR staff should be spending
>>> their membership fees to provide EID allocation/registration services?
>> IPv6 was free of allocation fees for many years, I do not see why EIDs
>> could be different, but again, we need to ask.
>
> My recollection was that RIRs had different policies, e.g., some required (at
> least) RIR membership and all required entering into some sort of legal
> Registration Service Agreement. However, again I might be misremembering.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
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