Don't forget Macromedia's "Generator".  How much was that?
Joe Kelly

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Black, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Out on Flex and that's depressingly final!


> Well then don't believe them. Or have a healthy dose of doubt. Look at
> other aspects of the industry, not just through MM glasses and see where
> trends are going. I've heard MM say lines like that before. 
> 
> Why did Spectra die? A product they(MM/Allaire) marketed to "enterprise"
> clients. Well to get it going you needed to spend around $12k in
> software to get going. Not counting hardware. 
> 
> I'm not saying it(Flex) is not a good product, I'm not even saying that
> there will not be some "enterprise" market players that will play in
> that game. Companies simply don't throw $$$ around like what they did in
> 1999, and what MM says now sounds much like what they said back then
> about a product that is now extinct.
> 
> S
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Clint Tredway
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Out on Flex and that's depressingly final!
> 
> I will not name names, but I have been told this by MM people and
> others close to MM... so yes, I do believe what i have said.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:59:40 -0600, Black, Stephen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "The reason for the price tag is who the target audience of Flex is."
> > Tell me you really don't believe that.  Why is BEA shaking in their
> > boots b/c of JBoss?
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Clint Tredway
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:56 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Out on Flex and that's depressingly final!
> > 
> > The reason for the price tag is who the target audience of Flex is.
> > The Enterprise Market. That market typically will not bat an eye at
> > 12K for server software.
> > 
> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:49:44 -0600, Ken Ferguson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I'm very unhappy, but I think I'm finally finished with all of
> > my
> > > research on what direction I'll be taking as I really start to
> > concentrate
> > > on RIA development. It has, by no means, been a fair and unbiased
> > study.
> > > I've tried and tried to justify going with Flex, but despite my best
> > > efforts, in the end I have failed to do it. I'll be using the Laszlo
> > > Presentation Server and it is almost entirely due to cost. $12K is
> > > absolutely ridiculous - absolutely and completely. I'm upset with
> > Macromedia
> > > about the whole issue. This is a relatively new area, into which I
> > believe
> > > they should be doing all they can to drag developers and businesses.
> I
> > think
> > > they're going about it all wrong. At half of the price, I'd still be
> > on the
> > > bubble to justify it, but I'd probably be able to do it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that I've gotten that out of the way, who has some good Laszlo
> > > experience to share? Any of you guys using it? Anybody had any
> > troubles or
> > > had to overcome any serious obstacles? Has anyone had any really
> > > ground-breaking success using it with CF? I'm about to break down
> the
> > sample
> > > Dashboard application and build it all out for my own use. Has
> anyone
> > else
> > > gone at that one yet?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate any information or advice anybody has to offer and
> I'm
> > also
> > > open to hearing any of you Flex guys tell me why I'm wrong!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --Ferg
> > 
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