Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.

Eric Knipp Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:50:38 -0800

Unitrin Specialty, my previous employer, used CF also. The Fed uses it too.

On 11/3/06, Brian Kroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Travelocity Business uses it for their public and extranet sites. I was responsible for the ColdFusion coding, application functions, CRM integration & general setup for each site. Another member of the team did the design.

http://www.travelocitybusiness.com

ColdFusion was chosen because of power, flexibility and support. If Sr. Management is involved you will have to attach your recommendation to dollars. The hurdle most managers have to get over is the additional cost of a CF license. I justified that through a shorter development cycle = less man hours. ColdFusion is supported by a company, Adobe (MM). Good luck getting support for your ASP or PHP install… Also, we implemented Contribute for some of the content management functions. Everything just worked better going with ColdFusion.

-Brian Kroll

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:52 PM

To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.

No worries, mate! That street goes two ways. ;0)

Daniel Eben Elmore wrote:

Chris, you're right, BoA is a worthy CF promotion. Since this thread was


about presenting to senior management, I thought rhetoric, in this case, is

very important. Sorry if I didn't communicate very tactfully, I need to work

on doing that better.

-Daniel Elmore

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On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan

Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:24 PM

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Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.


Fine. Take out the fact that I think they've got slick online banking

(regardless of what language they use to code their online banking apps.).

They're still a *huge* multi-billion dollar company and they trust CF with


even one iota of their online presence. That says something to me about CF.

Kipp, here's another very large nation wide company who uses CF for their


95% of their web applications: Nursefinders.

How do I know? I'm one of two developers charged with the task of replacing

their old DOS based application.

Hope that helps. :o)


Chris

Daniel Eben Elmore wrote:

Yes, I did make the inference myself, because it was obvious, so would


anyone else. To say "they have really slick online banking." is deceitfully

irrelevant.

I'm all for CF, I just don't want any CF promotions to collapse under

scrutiny.

-Daniel Elmore

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On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan

Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:07 PM

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Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.


I didn't say that their Online Banking was coded in CF. I just said that

they had really slick online banking. You made the inference yourself. It's

a big company and they do use CF. I also wasn't trying to "promote"


anything. I've got no business ties to BofA... I mearly pointed out that

they use CF... and not to what end they use CF.

Chris

Daniel Eben Elmore wrote:

Check out the Adobe case studies:


http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productid=1522

I'm not sure what, if any, kind of techno babble will influence senior level

management. Present a few examples where ColdFusion is show to be


trustworthy, present a few where it's shown to cut development costs,

present a few showing decreased maintenance. Cost, reliability,

interoperability, cling to those aspects.

You can even take the Hal Helms approach, whereby you prove Java (which is


very easy), then say "O, so we'll use some ColdFusion too, it's just

pre-built java code you can purchase".

Chris, I wouldn't promote a companies use of CF just by a URL. The Bank of

America front end may be built in CF because CF is so presentation friendly,


but their online backing system is most definitely not running CF.

-Daniel Elmore

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On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan


Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:12 PM

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Kipp,

Here's a major success for ya:


http://www.bankofamerica.com/index.cfm?page=corp_bofacom

(notice the .cfm in the url)

And Bank Of America is not only a huge company, but their online banking is

some of the slickest I've seen.

Hope that helps.

Chris

Baker, Kipp wrote:

Group,

I know you've heard this question before - but I'd like some succinct


reasons why you prefer CF over other technologies.


Why is it the best tool for the job?

(Define "the job" =>  for me its Web Development. The fact that it's "Rapid"

is just icing on the cake;


...define "best" => fewer lines of code, less time spent coding, easier to

repair, etc...)

What's the talent pool like versus the other technologies out there?

What are some major successes of CF? (Does Adobe count?...I think so...)

I'm looking to put together a rationale for why CF to senior management

authorities.

Point me to URLs? Sure. I know Ben Forta and others, but I'd like some

personal testimonials too.

Thanks for the replies - and the help.


(Need answers by next Tuesday - November 7, 2006)

Regards,


Kipp Baker

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