PHP is free but is PHP's credibility any better than ColdFusion's? Let's say Adobe adopts the Visual Studio or Flex pricing model for CF somehow (and I'm not going to get into the logistics of how, but "what if...?"), where the development environment was the only thing that cost you anything but it was free to deploy and run your application...would that make the CF adoption rate higher because the pricing would be the same as Visual Studio .NET? Yes, there are ways to compile your apps without the IDE, but obvioiusly they make it easier to build apps with the IDE.
Rick... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of David L. Penton Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 5:08 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc. CF can compete, but they will need to decide what is the best way to market themselves. Their pricing has always been a stopping point for some small businesses. I am no expert with marketing, but if you have several choices that are "free" [1] and have support then it's easier to not spend any money. &_david++; [1] I am not trying to debate "free" here as a Microsoft O/S isn't free. Christopher Jordan wrote: > So, I'd like to hear people's opinions on this: > > Does this mean that CF just can't compete? Okay, so there's no open > source CFML parser, and I wish like hell there were. Is it *just* the > financial aspect that gets in the way? How does the .NET framework > exceed CF's ability? Does the fact that there are frameworks for CF make > a difference (CFRails, Mach-ii, Fusebox, etc., etc.)? > > Chris > > Phillip Holmes wrote: >> >> I hate it as much as the next guy. But, there came a time when we >> migrated that I just had to admit it. >> No_matter_how_much_I_tried_to_deny_it, the numbers spoke for >> themselves. So, I learned C# / .NET and I am better off for it. Simply >> put, CF is the middleman of middleware. In business these days, you >> "cut out the middleman". >> >> It really wasn't a big leap as they pretty much "lifted" Java syntax. >> Even most of the class libs are named the same. After I learned it, I >> then realized that I would MUCH rather deal with .NET controls than >> Java's Swing. Also, since there is an opensource equivalent (Mono - >> http://www.mono-project.com) I don't have to worry about Microsoft >> doing something stupid like deprecating half the language base >> overnight (like classic ASP). >> >> Mono deploys two sets of libs with their language. >> 1. a lib that reproduces M$'s even down to the bugs >> 2. their own GTK# which is their own version >> >> So, I'm sorry, its just the way things worked out for me. I've been in >> CF for a long time. I am just happy I learned Java with CFMX so that >> C# wouldn't be a leap. >> >> Best, >> >> --Phil >> >> ------> >> >> >>> I'm afraid I have to admit that Phil has a point here. Adobe's CF is >>> very expensive. If someone were to create an open source CFML parser, I >>> think you'd see a lot more sites developing with it. I was just over at >>> a site called CFOpen.org, and while it's nice to think of there being >>> open source code that is written in CF, what's the point if you have to >>> buy the server-side parser to make that code work? It's very >>> frustrating, because it's such a great language. New Atlanta comes close >>> with their free server edition, but it can't be used for commercial >>> software development. Also, I don't really know if it would be able to >>> handle an enterprise level application. >>> >>> Chris >>> > >>> > --Phil >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list >>> > List Archives: >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ >>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ >>> > DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Reply to DFWCFUG: >>> [email protected] >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list >>> List Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ >>> DFWCFUG Sponsors: >>> www.HostMySite.com >>> www.teksystems.com/ >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/ _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/ _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/
