CF can compete, but they will need to decide what is the best way to market themselves. Their pricing has always been a stopping point for some small businesses.

I am no expert with marketing, but if you have several choices that are "free" [1] and have support then it's easier to not spend any money.

&_david++;

[1] I am not trying to debate "free" here as a Microsoft O/S isn't free.

Christopher Jordan wrote:
So, I'd like to hear people's opinions on this:

Does this mean that CF just can't compete? Okay, so there's no open source CFML parser, and I wish like hell there were. Is it *just* the financial aspect that gets in the way? How does the .NET framework exceed CF's ability? Does the fact that there are frameworks for CF make a difference (CFRails, Mach-ii, Fusebox, etc., etc.)?

Chris

Phillip Holmes wrote:

I hate it as much as the next guy. But, there came a time when we
migrated that I just had to admit it.
No_matter_how_much_I_tried_to_deny_it, the numbers spoke for
themselves. So, I learned C# / .NET and I am better off for it. Simply
put, CF is the middleman of middleware. In business these days, you
"cut out the middleman".

It really wasn't a big leap as they pretty much "lifted" Java syntax.
Even most of the class libs are named the same. After I learned it, I
then realized that I would MUCH rather deal with .NET controls than
Java's Swing. Also, since there is an opensource equivalent (Mono -
http://www.mono-project.com) I don't have to worry about Microsoft
doing something stupid like deprecating half the language base
overnight (like classic ASP).

Mono deploys two sets of libs with their language.
1. a lib that reproduces M$'s even down to the bugs
2. their own GTK# which is their own version

So, I'm sorry, its just the way things worked out for me. I've been in
CF for a long time. I am just happy I learned Java with CFMX so that
C# wouldn't be a leap.

Best,

--Phil

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I'm afraid I have to admit that Phil has a point here. Adobe's CF is
very expensive. If someone were to create an open source CFML parser, I
think you'd see  a lot more sites developing with it. I was just over at
a site called CFOpen.org, and while it's nice to think of there being
open source code that is written in CF, what's the point if you have to
buy the server-side parser to make that code work? It's very
frustrating, because it's such a great language. New Atlanta comes close
with their free server edition, but it can't be used for commercial
software development. Also, I don't really know if it would be able to
handle an enterprise level application.

Chris
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