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worries, mate! That street goes two ways. ;0) Daniel Eben Elmore wrote: Chris, you're right, BoA is a worthy CF promotion. Since this thread was about presenting to senior management, I thought rhetoric, in this case, is very important. Sorry if I didn't communicate very tactfully, I need to work on doing that better.-Daniel Elmore -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:24 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc. Fine. Take out the fact that I think they've got slick online banking (regardless of what language they use to code their online banking apps.). They're still a *huge* multi-billion dollar company and they trust CF with even one iota of their online presence. That says something to me about CF. Kipp, here's another very large nation wide company who uses CF for their 95% of their web applications: Nursefinders. How do I know? I'm one of two developers charged with the task of replacing their old DOS based application. Hope that helps. :o) Chris Daniel Eben Elmore wrote: Yes, I did make the inference myself, because it was obvious, so would anyone else. To say "they have really slick online banking." is deceitfully irrelevant. I'm all for CF, I just don't want any CF promotions to collapse under scrutiny. -Daniel Elmore -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:07 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc. I didn't say that their Online Banking was coded in CF. I just said that they had really slick online banking. You made the inference yourself. It's a big company and they do use CF. I also wasn't trying to "promote" anything. I've got no business ties to BofA... I mearly pointed out that they use CF... and not to what end they use CF. Chris Daniel Eben Elmore wrote: Check out the Adobe case studies: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productid=1522 I'm not sure what, if any, kind of techno babble will influence senior level management. Present a few examples where ColdFusion is show to be trustworthy, present a few where it's shown to cut development costs, present a few showing decreased maintenance. Cost, reliability, interoperability, cling to those aspects. You can even take the Hal Helms approach, whereby you prove Java (which is very easy), then say "O, so we'll use some ColdFusion too, it's just pre-built java code you can purchase". Chris, I wouldn't promote a companies use of CF just by a URL. The Bank of America front end may be built in CF because CF is so presentation friendly, but their online backing system is most definitely not running CF. -Daniel Elmore -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Jordan Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:12 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc. Kipp, Here's a major success for ya: http://www.bankofamerica.com/index.cfm?page=corp_bofacom (notice the .cfm in the url) And Bank Of America is not only a huge company, but their online banking is some of the slickest I've seen. Hope that helps. Chris Baker, Kipp wrote: Group, I know you've heard this question before - but I'd like some succinct reasons why you prefer CF over other technologies. Why is it the best tool for the job? (Define "the job" => for me its Web Development. The fact that it's "Rapid" is just icing on the cake; ...define "best" => fewer lines of code, less time spent coding, easier to repair, etc...) What's the talent pool like versus the other technologies out there? What are some major successes of CF? (Does Adobe count?...I think so...) I'm looking to put together a rationale for why CF to senior management authorities. Point me to URLs? Sure. I know Ben Forta and others, but I'd like some personal testimonials too. Thanks for the replies - and the help. (Need answers by next Tuesday - November 7, 2006) Regards, Kipp Baker ============================== Manager, Web Communications BellHelicopter Textron, Inc. 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