Ron, I was having this discussion the other day with a few developers while
at cf.Objective().  It has been interesting to watch the past few years.  At
CFUnited 05, to me it felt like frameworks were still mostly done by the
advanced guys, but probably over half of the attendees at least understood
that they should probably better understand what was going on in that area.
I am over simplifying a bit, but last year it felt more like everyone seemed
to understand the value of them even if they didn't use them.  At
cf.Objective() people look at you funny if you don't use them (unless you
are Simon Horwith, then people just look at you funny anyway).  Of course
that is a more advanced group, but it is also the group that is leading many
of the tends and helping determine a lot of the "best practices" which
trickle throughout the community.

There are certainly a lot of cases where frameworks are not necessary, such
as a small 3-4 page app.   However, I always use Mach-II anyway for the most
part.  My reasons are:
a) I like the compartmentalization that it offers.  Yes, I can build that
compartmentalization on my own, but why?
b) Applications don't ever get smaller.  Most applications that I have
worked on evolve or die.  It is always a much more pleasant experience to go
back into an app that is well designed in a framework and add existing
funcionality.
c) Standardization.  This has really come to light as I have worked closely
with Aaron over the past couple of years on projects.  When you use a
framework, you don't have to guess where to look for things.  You
instinctively know.  Whether you work by yourself, or whether you work as a
team, standards make things much more efficient in my opinion.
d) Flexability.  I can't stress enough how the concepts of event-driven
application models with filters, plugins, etc make changes easy.  Things
that used to take weeks for us to implement in poorly architected legacy
applications can be implemented in hours.  Yes of course you can create good
architecture on your own, but frameworks like Mach-II make it an obvious
direction to go.
e) I am on Team Mach-II now.  They make me say this stuff.

~Dave

On 5/11/07, Ron Mast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Hi All,



What determines if an application needs to be programmed using a
framework?



Is it true that we are past the spaghetti code era when programming in
basic coldfusion?



I need to get this straight in my head, I'm confused at the moment.



Thanks in advance!



Ron Mast

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