Well, when you announce I"ll certainly be there. There is definitely a need to learn it.
Dave Shuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guys, Aaron Lynch and I have some stuff in the works that will hopefully address this topic to some extent. I am working out some details, and am not quite ready to discuss the big picture publicly, but know that it is something that I am chewing on. I will likely be sending an email out to the list next week to get feedback. Thanks for the input. It is always welcomed. ~d On 5/11/07, Eric Knipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:This is an interesting subject and one that comes up a lot. I have been a member of the CFUG or 3 or 4 years now, and I think I've attended 3 sessions that included "intro to Mach-II". To be honest I have a hard time making time for meetings these days as it is, so when a subject like that comes up, I write the meeting off, since its stuff I already know. It would be nice if we could roll both a basic and advanced Mach-II session into a single meeting. Dave, with Mach-II 1.5 coming out, it might make sense to do something like this for that session? Start with an Intro to Mach-II for about 45 minutes to an hour, then have a second presenter talk about the new advanced stuff in 1.5? Might be enough incentive to attract both the newbies and the old battle axes. eric On 5/11/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Dave, I know that several months ago - maybe even last year - the group had several presentations on Mach-II. I would really like to learn to use a framework, but doing so on my own I think may be more of a challenge than I have energy for right now. Would you (or whoever) mind doing an intro to Mach-II session sometime? Thanks, Chris Dave Shuck wrote: Ron, I was having this discussion the other day with a few developers while at cf.Objective(). It has been interesting to watch the past few years. At CFUnited 05, to me it felt like frameworks were still mostly done by the advanced guys, but probably over half of the attendees at least understood that they should probably better understand what was going on in that area. I am over simplifying a bit, but last year it felt more like everyone seemed to understand the value of them even if they didn't use them. At cf.Objective() people look at you funny if you don't use them (unless you are Simon Horwith, then people just look at you funny anyway). Of course that is a more advanced group, but it is also the group that is leading many of the tends and helping determine a lot of the "best practices" which trickle throughout the community. There are certainly a lot of cases where frameworks are not necessary, such as a small 3-4 page app. However, I always use Mach-II anyway for the most part. My reasons are: a) I like the compartmentalization that it offers. Yes, I can build that compartmentalization on my own, but why? b) Applications don't ever get smaller. Most applications that I have worked on evolve or die. It is always a much more pleasant experience to go back into an app that is well designed in a framework and add existing funcionality. c) Standardization. This has really come to light as I have worked closely with Aaron over the past couple of years on projects. When you use a framework, you don't have to guess where to look for things. You instinctively know. Whether you work by yourself, or whether you work as a team, standards make things much more efficient in my opinion. d) Flexability. I can't stress enough how the concepts of event-driven application models with filters, plugins, etc make changes easy. Things that used to take weeks for us to implement in poorly architected legacy applications can be implemented in hours. Yes of course you can create good architecture on your own, but frameworks like Mach-II make it an obvious direction to go. e) I am on Team Mach-II now. They make me say this stuff. ~Dave On 5/11/07, Ron Mast <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hi All, What determines if an application needs to be programmed using a framework? Is it true that we are past the spaghetti code era when programming in basic coldfusion? I need to get this straight in my head, I'm confused at the moment. Thanks in advance! 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