Guys, Aaron Lynch and I have some stuff in the works that will hopefully address this topic to some extent. I am working out some details, and am not quite ready to discuss the big picture publicly, but know that it is something that I am chewing on. I will likely be sending an email out to the list next week to get feedback.
Thanks for the input. It is always welcomed. ~d On 5/11/07, Eric Knipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is an interesting subject and one that comes up a lot. I have been a member of the CFUG or 3 or 4 years now, and I think I've attended 3 sessions that included "intro to Mach-II". To be honest I have a hard time making time for meetings these days as it is, so when a subject like that comes up, I write the meeting off, since its stuff I already know. It would be nice if we could roll both a basic and advanced Mach-II session into a single meeting. Dave, with Mach-II 1.5 coming out, it might make sense to do something like this for that session? Start with an Intro to Mach-II for about 45 minutes to an hour, then have a second presenter talk about the new advanced stuff in 1.5? Might be enough incentive to attract both the newbies and the old battle axes. eric On 5/11/07, Christopher Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, > > I know that several months ago - maybe even last year - the group had > several presentations on Mach-II. I would really like to learn to use a > framework, but doing so on my own I think may be more of a challenge than I > have energy for right now. Would you (or whoever) mind doing an intro to > Mach-II session sometime? > > Thanks, > Chris > > Dave Shuck wrote: > > Ron, I was having this discussion the other day with a few developers > while at cf.Objective(). It has been interesting to watch the past few > years. At CFUnited 05, to me it felt like frameworks were still mostly done > by the advanced guys, but probably over half of the attendees at least > understood that they should probably better understand what was going on in > that area. I am over simplifying a bit, but last year it felt more like > everyone seemed to understand the value of them even if they didn't use > them. At cf.Objective() people look at you funny if you don't use them > (unless you are Simon Horwith, then people just look at you funny anyway). > Of course that is a more advanced group, but it is also the group that is > leading many of the tends and helping determine a lot of the "best > practices" which trickle throughout the community. > > There are certainly a lot of cases where frameworks are not necessary, > such as a small 3-4 page app. However, I always use Mach-II anyway for the > most part. My reasons are: > a) I like the compartmentalization that it offers. Yes, I can build > that compartmentalization on my own, but why? > b) Applications don't ever get smaller. Most applications that I have > worked on evolve or die. It is always a much more pleasant experience to go > back into an app that is well designed in a framework and add existing > funcionality. > c) Standardization. This has really come to light as I have worked > closely with Aaron over the past couple of years on projects. When you use > a framework, you don't have to guess where to look for things. You > instinctively know. Whether you work by yourself, or whether you work as a > team, standards make things much more efficient in my opinion. > d) Flexability. I can't stress enough how the concepts of event-driven > application models with filters, plugins, etc make changes easy. Things > that used to take weeks for us to implement in poorly architected legacy > applications can be implemented in hours. Yes of course you can create good > architecture on your own, but frameworks like Mach-II make it an obvious > direction to go. > e) I am on Team Mach-II now. They make me say this stuff. > > ~Dave > > On 5/11/07, Ron Mast <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > What determines if an application needs to be programmed using a > > framework? > > > > > > > > Is it true that we are past the spaghetti code era when programming in > > basic coldfusion? > > > > > > > > I need to get this straight in my head, I'm confused at the moment. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > Ron Mast > > > > Truth Hardware > > > > Webmaster > > > > 507-444-4693 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Reply to DFWCFUG: > > [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > > List Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > > www.instantspot.com/ > > www.teksystems.com/ > > > > > > > -- > ~Dave Shuck > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://daveshuck.instantspot.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > > > -- > http://www.cjordan.us > > > _______________________________________________ > Reply to DFWCFUG: > [email protected] > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list > List Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ > http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ > DFWCFUG Sponsors: > www.instantspot.com/ > www.teksystems.com/ > > _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.instantspot.com/ www.teksystems.com/
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