I'd be up for that. I know it's difficult to interest everyone when the presentation is of an 'intro' nature.

Good suggestion Eric. :o)

Chris

Eric Knipp wrote:
This is an interesting subject and one that comes up a lot. I have been a member of the CFUG or 3 or 4 years now, and I think I've attended 3 sessions that included "intro to Mach-II". To be honest I have a hard time making time for meetings these days as it is, so when a subject like that comes up, I write the meeting off, since its stuff I already know. It would be nice if we could roll both a basic and advanced Mach-II session into a single meeting. Dave, with Mach-II 1.5 coming out, it might make sense to do something like this for that session? Start with an Intro to Mach-II for about 45 minutes to an hour, then have a second presenter talk about the new advanced stuff in 1.5? Might be enough incentive to attract both the newbies and the old battle axes. eric

On 5/11/07, *Christopher Jordan* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    Dave,

    I know that several months ago - maybe even last year - the group
    had several presentations on Mach-II. I would really like to learn
    to use a framework, but doing so on my own I think may be more of
    a challenge than I have energy for right now. Would you (or
    whoever) mind doing an intro to Mach-II session sometime?

    Thanks,
    Chris

    Dave Shuck wrote:
    Ron, I was having this discussion the other day with a few
    developers while at cf.Objective().  It has been interesting to
    watch the past few years.  At CFUnited 05, to me it felt like
    frameworks were still mostly done by the advanced guys, but
    probably over half of the attendees at least understood that they
    should probably better understand what was going on in that
    area.  I am over simplifying a bit, but last year it felt more
    like everyone seemed to understand the value of them even if they
    didn't use them.  At cf.Objective() people look at you funny if
    you don't use them (unless you are Simon Horwith, then people
    just look at you funny anyway).  Of course that is a more
    advanced group, but it is also the group that is leading many of
    the tends and helping determine a lot of the "best practices"
which trickle throughout the community.
    There are certainly a lot of cases where frameworks are not
    necessary, such as a small 3-4 page app.   However, I always use
    Mach-II anyway for the most part.  My reasons are:
    a) I like the compartmentalization that it offers.  Yes, I can
    build that compartmentalization on my own, but why?
    b) Applications don't ever get smaller.  Most applications that I
    have worked on evolve or die.  It is always a much more pleasant
    experience to go back into an app that is well designed in a
    framework and add existing funcionality.
    c) Standardization.  This has really come to light as I have
    worked closely with Aaron over the past couple of years on
    projects.  When you use a framework, you don't have to guess
    where to look for things.  You instinctively know.  Whether you
    work by yourself, or whether you work as a team, standards make
    things much more efficient in my opinion.
    d) Flexability.  I can't stress enough how the concepts of
    event-driven application models with filters, plugins, etc make
    changes easy.  Things that used to take weeks for us to implement
    in poorly architected legacy applications can be implemented in
    hours.  Yes of course you can create good architecture on your
    own, but frameworks like Mach-II make it an obvious direction to go.
    e) I am on Team Mach-II now.  They make me say this stuff.

    ~Dave

    On 5/11/07, *Ron Mast* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    > wrote:

        Hi All,

        What determines if an application needs to be programmed
        using a framework?

        Is it true that we are past the spaghetti code era when
        programming in basic coldfusion?

        I need to get this straight in my head, I'm confused at the
        moment.

        Thanks in advance!

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