On 10/10/2013 13:55, Ian Bowers wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis <alexandre.para...@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.para...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being
    overlooked by NSA doesn't mean everybody don't care.




    On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:33 AM, RĂ¼diger G. Biernat
    <rgbier...@rgbiernat.homelinux.org
    <mailto:rgbier...@rgbiernat.homelinux.org>> wrote:

        This discussion about security/NSA/encryption IS important.
        Please go on.




Whether or not this is an important conversation is irrelevant. This is the wrong place to have the conversation.

I tried to turn this back into a product support discussion in the last thread but sadly my comments were not among those cherry picked. This discussion does not suit the purpose of this list. I see a bunch of hard working people reacting to their product's integrity being continuously questioned despite having all questions answered, and a few entitled consumers who can't be bothered to figure out technology well enough to come to their own conclusion on its integrity. As well as a bunch of people that want this discussion to go someplace more appropriate. The "concerned" parties are not concerned enough to learn how to read code. So you're paranoid, just not paranoid enough to actually learn how to answer your own questions.

Unless there is an issue someone is having making a VPN work or getting NAT running right, this is the wrong place to hold this discussion. If you're having an issue with this pfSense, networking protocols, or logical opertaion of the device, great! let's talk about it! I'm actually very good at these things, and I'd like to spend time helping people with network or network security related operational problems. Otherwise, please find the email addresses of all the people who shown an interest in participating in this discussion, and send an email out to that list of people to discuss it among yourselves.

*BLINK!*

Incredible!!!! the way I am seeing the reaction to the initial question, and trying to query very valid points are now leading me to seriously reconsider the potential risk I have in continuing to use pfsense as a security tool.

The about list on the mailman page states: "pfSense support and discussion list"...

This thread is clearly about discussing pfsense, therefore it is on-topic, I could equally take the stance, take your technical discussions to the dev list, however I am not the type of exclusive close-minded minded person that you appear to be. Please stop hijacking this thread.

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NetSecSpec Ltd
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