On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Alexandre Paradis <
alexandre.para...@gmail.com> wrote:

> indeed, i vote to continue. Because you don't mind being overlooked by NSA
> doesn't mean everybody don't care.
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> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:33 AM, RĂ¼diger G. Biernat <
> rgbier...@rgbiernat.homelinux.org> wrote:
>
>> This discussion about security/NSA/encryption IS important. Please go on.
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Whether or not this is an important conversation is irrelevant.  This is
the wrong place to have the conversation.

I tried to turn this back into a product support discussion in the last
thread but sadly my comments were not among those cherry picked.  This
discussion does not suit the purpose of this list.  I see a bunch of hard
working people reacting to their product's integrity being continuously
questioned despite having all questions answered, and a few entitled
consumers who can't be bothered to figure out technology well enough to
come to their own conclusion on its integrity.    As well as a bunch of
people that want this discussion to go someplace more appropriate.  The
"concerned" parties are not concerned enough to learn how to read code.  So
you're paranoid, just not paranoid enough to actually learn how to answer
your own questions.

Unless there is an issue someone is having making a VPN work or getting NAT
running right, this is the wrong place to hold this discussion.   If you're
having an issue with this pfSense, networking protocols, or logical
opertaion of the device, great!  let's talk about it!  I'm actually very
good at these things, and I'd like to spend time helping people with
network or network security related operational problems.  Otherwise,
please find the email addresses of all the people who shown an interest in
participating in this discussion, and send an email out to that list of
people to discuss it among yourselves.

-Ian
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