At 11:01 AM 1/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>bobr,
>
>You mention:
>> How do you keep your site from getting inappropriate content?
>> (graffiti)
>
>Well, either that's what going on at rebol.org or the site must be under
>alien attack! It's funny you should mention wiki. Please explain what
>happened to the HTML source at http://www.rebol.org/web/wiki.html
http://www.rebol.org/web/wiki.r looks ok to me
(tho a bit lacking in features - it does demonstrate
the core wiki-ness of edit-in-place web pages).
the .html version looks funny because
it has live tags in it that your browser recognizes and interprets.
the .r version does not execute the tags because the content-type
is 'plain' (vs html).
live tags?
by that I mean the actual appearance of <{something}>
in the file. That part is a matter of programming/writing style.
The wiki-in-rebol source was always "broken-looking" that way
when interpreted by a browser.
>
>Most of your response would be useful to have in a "mission statement" or at
>least something to let visitors to rebol.org know what it's about and how
>they can contribute.
my intention.
>It's interesting that you can go and modify wiki, but I
>see no information at the site telling me how I can do the same thing.
I cant modify the wiki there but I can use the wiki tool and add content
to the 'dictionary' of rebol words mentioned on the homepage.
I have done so in several spots over the last few months.
>That
>is, why do you have certain access privileges to this site and I don't.
I am not special at rebol.org or rebol.com .
you can edit the dictionary as easy as I.
>Besides the script submission policy, I see no other way to make a
>contribution to help improve the site.
I think that the current operator
does not know that wiki can be used to maintain whole sites.
right now it is being used only on the 'quick reference dictionary'.
Please understand that the wiki running there
is itself an exercise in ways to use the Rebol language
just as much as it provides a facility to document
functions and 'words in the product.
writing a piece of a site in a product
to assist in documenting that product
isn't just a cool thing to do.
It also has a potential to become a regression test
against future releases of the rebol product.
Anchoring functionality.
"we cant change thus-and-so-function because that would
break the website"
it (wiki.r) also demonstrates the compactness of rebol as well.
most other wiki implementations in other languages
are now around 1000 to 2000 lines of code.
I admit, that is with all kinds of functionality
that aren't part of the wiki essence.
these extra features, however, do aide in site management.
I would understand if its use were limited to only certain areas
if it makes only limited features available.
>I believe that whoever maintained the mailing list last year did not
>understand its usefulness to the REBOL end user community. This was proven
>last year when I and others asked where we could find an archived and
>searchable mailing list.
>Within two months of my initial request, we finally
>saw a searchable, web-based mailing list archive.
volunteer efforts cannot be dictated to.
you cannot threaten a volunteer with firing
to get them to move faster.
anecdote: I used to work at a start-up robotics co
programming embedded chips. I wrote their 'language'
and I did it for fun. To see my own handiwork
actually be used to make everything from mayo
(injecting mustard gas in minute quantities)
to human blood (grow T cells!) was its own reward.
I would come in at my usual hour (2pm) and leave
when my friends went home. Progress was steady and relaxed.
When investors got mad at slipped/ignored dates they asked
the president to threaten me.
He said: "I can't - I don't pay him!"
( I think that was one way he was able to get them to
throw more money at us ;)
><...snip...> In a recent posts, we have
>heard of people having problems with using the mailing list, indicating, at
>least to me, that it needs to be improved.
/me hears the mystical chant "hack selma! ... hack selma!" and ignores it.
> I, as well as others would like
>to see the mailing list go back further in time.Who do we go to for this?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] likely has the necessary access.
Cindy Sassenrath is the person who 'Administers' the domain
in case you want to come up with a whole new website.
>Has anyone asked REBOL Technologies to take this over so that we can see a
>more professional search system implemented? Just having a link on the
>rebol.com website to this mailing list makes good marketing sense. REBOL
>Technologies places at lot of articles by reporters praising REBOL on
>rebol.com, it should at the very least offer potential users the opportunity
>of seeing what "real users" of REBOL are saying and how they are using the
>programming language.
backfilling an archive I cannot help.
search engines are a specialty of mine but you cannot afford me.
I am also not about to ask REBOL Technologies to "take this over"
as they have a full plate. Why slow them up when we on the outside
have the time/resources of our own to make it happen.
'what "real users" of REBOL are saying' -- that can be done.
Just promise me at least 1/2 hour a week toward real 'editing'.
If any 4 or more of you email me with such a promise,
I will set up a separate site where you can each define content
as you wish.
It will have a wiki that has access to everything
but the disclaimer. [I have done this multiple times before]
you will be able to structure access to pages
in many ways that you cannot now imagine.
FTP will not be needed. knowledge of html
is unnecessary (but using it is allowed).
If they like what is shaping up, I will move the content
you and others have produced to the unix/apache134 server
they use at rebol.org .
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BTW: it looks like I am behind in replies.
sorry.
- bobr
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