Hi Cheryl,
you wrote:
>I'm viewing that web page under IE 5.01 and right in the middle of the HTML
>text for the source code of wiki is a form to fill out with a submit button.
>Does any one else get this? Seems like pretty strange (if not alien)
>behavior to me. Or could it be a security hole in my browser?
The explanation is not exactly sensational. Does IE 5.01 let you view the
source of a Web page (I'm using Netscape Navigator.) If it does, you will
see that the Web pages are generated from the source files using the <PRE>
tag. The <PRE> tag does not "disarm" HTML tags.
Since a wiki is something that is supposed to act as a Web page, the REBOL
srouce includes that contain HTML tags.
The offending lines are:
{GoTo: <input name="wiki" size=10>
    <a href="wiki.r?wiki=} wiki {&action=edit">Edit</a> this
page.
<br>
in the footer function.
In the edit-page function we have a REBOL string that contains:
<form method="POST" action="wiki.r">^/
<textarea name="wiki-text" rows=30 cols=80>} raw-wiki
{</textarea>^/<br>^/}
and
pass "action" "submit" {^/} pass "wiki" wiki
and finally
{<input name="submit" type="submit" value="Submit">
<input name="reset" type="reset" value="Reset"></form>}
These are all part of the REBOL script. To REBOL they are strings. Your Web
browser doesn't know REBOL. It doesn't know what a REBOL string is. It
simply recognizes HTML tags and displays parts of the REBOL source as it
would display these HTML tags, if it found them in some other Web page.
>The problem, the argument, or the complaint is that people continually have
>problems submitting scripts to rebol.org. The archive is a testimony to
>this. It's clear that improvements in the submittal engine, possibly wiki,
>need to be made.
Then they should be made. Perhaps some people could declare themselves
responsible for the submission script and whoever is managing the script
can release the source to this group?
>Who is responsible for the rebol.org website. This is not clear. Why can't
>others help improve or make suggestions?
Again, there is an email submission mechanism in place. Send whoever is
receiving that email some email.
>If we are allowed to, then how do
>we do this? You mention rebol.org. Is this mailing list another avenue? I'd
>like to see a mission statement on rebol.org.
Write one.
>> Someone went through the trouble of setting up a mailing list archive.
>> 1. He did not understand its usefulness?????????
>> 2. Why lash out at whoever it was?
>>
>
>In fact, I did express my appreciation off-list to the person who did this.
Great. Why bash him online, then?
>However, it's been a couple of months, and I am quite aware of what effort
>it took, but the archive and searching capabilities need to be improved.
So, get some people together and improve it!
>It's not just old messages on problems. It's history!
Then I'd propose to separate the two archives. One archive that contains
messages that are up to date. Another archive that documents the history of
REBOL.
>I'm particularly
>interested in the origin of "parse". It appears that "find" may have been
>it's predecessor. I'm not going to say anymore about "parse" because I'd be
>starting a revolution (or would it be rebolution) of attacks on me.
Go for it.
>I'm
>waiting for REBOL/VIEW to come out before I have any more to say about
>"parse". My comments are already in the archive and at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>But let it be known, all the discussions to date on "parse" have been what I
>have expected.
Hey, if you don't want to share your comments on parse, so be it.
>
>But do we really need a solely user based web site. Why can't everybody work
>together?
Everybody is working together. What bothers me is when I see that some
people are working and others disapprove of their efforts, without showing
any sign of making contributions.
I have no problem with someone sending the person/people involved in
maintaining rebol.org an email saying, guys, I don't have the time right
now to do any of this. But I think the Web site is lacking the following
features ...
I hate to see people, who have sacrificed as much time as they could afford
to set up something that can benefit us all, being held to abstract
standards that are not founded on a realistic estimation of how much time
and effort a person can afford to contribute.
It takes me no more than ten minutes to put together a specification for a
project that will take ten man months - or, if you want, ten man years - to
implement. Typically, the less people no about something, the more
demanding they become.
I used to work for a guy, who ran around all day calling himself a genius,
because he kept on coming up with ideas, he thought were really smart. "Why
hasn't anyone put a freakin' TV station on the Internet yet?", he'd yell in
the morning. The rest of the week, he'd go around telling everyone about
his new idea. "Imagine, interactive TV, every Web page can be a TV station,
you could have hundreds of millions of programs you could choose from. I'm
a genius! Why hasn't anyone done it yet? Because people aren't as smart as
I am." He'd actually try to raise money for his "projects". Needless to
say, he had no idea what a modem is, he knew nothing of data compression,
bandwidth, video signals, fps, etc., etc. "I'm a genius!"
I simply think that you are being very unfair to poeple who took two weeks
or three weeks to actually implement something useful, even if that
something useful is not as useful as the thing I could specify in ten
minutes or less
I don't think they deserve to be measured against your purely theoretical
specs that you don't appear to want to support with actual time and effort
and contributions.
>I see no link on http://www.rebol.com/support.html.
The link is provided on the libraries page.
>And you know very well
Ouch!
>that's where people go to subscribe to the mailing list.
>Why is there no
>mention of an archive?
Because at the time they set up the Web site, rebol.org was intended as a
script archive. Later the mailing list archive was added.
>
>I do. But I also want the "quality" that other sites give me be it a LINUX,
>Python, or PERL mailing list.
These sites have been around for quite a few years. They weren't created
over night.
>And, I know that REBOL is fully capable of
>doing this at a low cost.
REBOL is not capable of doing it on its own. It takes someone to do it. And
some of happen to be quite busy these days. But, why don't you take the
lead ....
>
>Still in touch with reality,
hoping you have a little time to contribute
;- Elan >> [: - )]
