Hi Norm,
I am not sure if your questions have already been answered by the list but let 
me make an attempt anyway.

You asked :
"would you please address the issue of connecting (or not connecting) the ac 
neutral to earth."
IMO not connecting the ac neutral to earth would make the electrical system 
safe for the user making accidental contact with a hot conductor. However if 
the user begins to ignore the basic safety rules and becomes complacent about 
touching hot conductors he/she will be at the mercy of the system being fault 
free. Therefore a system with an isolated neutral ought to be checked 
frequently (preferably automatically) to verify all the current carying 
conductors are indeed isolated from the chassis. 
Another shortcoming of the ungrounded neutral is you cannot use GFCI circuit 
breakers. 
One other shortcoming may be the increased vulnerability of your electronics to 
lightning. The isolation transformer that is providing the floating secondary 
neutral should be shielded (preferably both primary and secondary shields) and 
the shields should be hardwired to earth. 
 
You asked :
"I believe in the US power that comes into a house is from a center tapped 
secondary winding in the pole transformer which delivers 240 vac at the ends of 
the coil and the neutral comes from the center tap.  The grounding of the 
neutral is only added in the house's breaker box by the neutral/grounding 
jumper wire.  Correct me if I am mistaken."

Correct, except I have never seen a jumper wire. The panels usually have a long 
aluminum block bolted to the chassis and it has a bunch of screw terminals for 
both neutral and ground wires.  US house wiring code requires both neutral 
(white) and ground (green) wires to be terminated to the chassis of the 
distribution panel/circuit breaker box. The chasis of the distribution panel is 
also routed (with a green wire) to a ground rod or a buried water pipe. I 
remember some Canadian folks on the list freaking out when they heard white 
neutral and green ground wires are bonded at the chassis of the panel but this 
is the way it is, and it makes sense to us.
 
You asked :
"I seem to have read that the European electrical system has ungrounded 
neutrals.  Is this true or not?"
In Turkey the houses are wired to one phase of the 220V Wye pole transformers 
with a pair of copper wires. One wire is hot and it has insulation, the other 
wire is the neutral and it is a bare copper conductor. The bare wire is bonded 
to the steel pipes that bring water to the house. The metal surfaces of the 
appliances are bonded to the bare neutral with a jumper and this jumper may be 
opened by the electrician to test the appliance for leakage. I believe the 
newer houses are using an insulated neutral and a bare ground wire so that GFCI 
devices can be used. The chassis to neutral jumper on the appliances are 
removed to be able to use the GFCI devices in bathrooms.
 
Cheers
Ahmet
 


From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:05:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] GALVANIC ISOLATOR






Ahoy Al,
 
I understand the wisdom of connecting all the touchable metal parts of 
electrical equipment to ship's earth so the bilge water and all touchable metal 
parts will be at the same voltage as the earth and I do this on my vessel.  
 
It is also a good idea to have a way to measure the ac voltage/current between 
the grounding (green or bare) wires coming from your system, and the grounding 
point to which you attach them, so you can be aware of any leakage.
 
But would you please address the issue of connecting (or not connecting) the ac 
neutral to earth.
 
For example, my 240 vac loads (and those ashore) have no neutral.  Why should 
120 vac loads be any different?  Wouldn't it make things safer to isolate *all* 
current-carrying conductors rather than connect neutral ( a current carrying 
conductor) to the ship's hull or other similar earth-like structure?
 
I seem to have read that the European electrical system has ungrounded 
neutrals.  Is this true or not?
 
I believe in the US power that comes into a house is from a center tapped 
secondary winding in the pole transformer which delivers 240 vac at the ends of 
the coil and the neutral comes from the center tap.  The grounding of the 
neutral is only added in the house's breaker box by the neutral/grounding 
jumper wire.  Correct me if I am mistaken.
 
I have had an ungrounded neutral 120 vac system for 30 years on an electrically 
powerful and complex vessel and have never felt the slightest tingle.
 
I did this mainly because that was the way they did it on the many merchant 
marine ships I served on and because I believed the safety aspects of this 
scheme would work just as well on my own vessel.
 

Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
N30 07.68 W081 38.47
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Al Thomason 
To: [email protected]
Sent: 12/8/2010 9:03:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] GALVANIC ISOLATOR



Hi:
 
OK, in short I think there are two questions here:
 
1)      Connect the onboard AC safety ground to the onboard DC Ground point:  
Yes – always.  There has been several articles over the years on people dying 
when swimming around a faulty boat w/o this connection. ABYC requires it.  Some 
will complain that this can cause issues with stray current and galvanic  
issues, but bottom line:  This bonding is a major safety issue, the other 
concerns can be addressed below.  And more so, if something does go very very 
bad, and you do not have this on your boat can cause lots of problems for you.
Here is an article of a local boy who died as a direct result of the boat not 
having this connection and a fault occurring: 
http://www.abycinc.org/lucas_ritz.pdf
 
 
2)      Connecting of ships AC Safety Ground to Shore Safety Ground.:  There 
are basically two ways to do this:  1) make the connection via your shore power 
cable - use of a galvanic Isolator can help reduce some of the stray current 
concerns here.  And 2) use a true isolation transformer.  In this case, the 
shore safety ground is only connected to the shield in the transformer, and 
then a new bonding point is established by connecting the ship safety ground 
and ship neutral onboard (and after the isolation transformer).  This approach 
will remove almost all issues with stray currents.
 
This is not really that complex of a topic, though some folks like to poke at 
#1 and cause confusion.  Note also that the above might be modified some for 
non US boats (e.g. EU boats).  I am just not sure the best practice for them 
and the AC system can be slightly different then the US system.  (Beyond 
120v/60hz..)
 
Good luck!
 
-al-
 
 

From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emory Jones
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] GALVANIC ISOLATOR
 

Thanks to all who responded! There does not seem to a consensus in regard to 
the AC ground. Any other (additional) discussion would certainly help to 
educate me. I am concerned about an AC to DC connection however my fears may be 
ungrounded (sorry I couldn't resist). 

Thanks again for all the input.

 

Emory Jones

S/V Jacob Andrew

Solomons, MD 
 
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