On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Matt Sicker <[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
> I've already asked Ralph and now Gary, but let me pose the question openly > instead. Would any of you be interested in doing an online presentation for > Illinois JUG? Here's our meetup group: < > http://www.meetup.com/illinoisJUGvirtual/>. > I did a lightning talk about async logging (and a little bit on > garbage-free logging), and people seemed very interested. I'm thinking of > doing my own full presentation eventually on other features I'm more > familiar with, too, but I might just do those in-person instead of online. > > Presentations normally take place at noon central time and go for an hour. > Would love to but 12:00 Eastern Time (ET) is 1:00 AM Japan Standard Time (JST) so maybe not realistic. I should start working on a presentation though. > > On 13 June 2016 at 10:08, Gary Gregory <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: > >> I've done an in person preso at two JUG in Southern California that were >> well received. I did not think of recording them for YouTube though. >> >> Promoting within Apache and especially new projects would help IMO. >> >> I've also seen that folks do not know that Log4j 2 has a new modern >> architecture with an API. Better text on various sites like wikipedia and >> our own logging landing site might help. >> >> Gary >> On Jun 13, 2016 7:56 AM, "Matt Sicker" <[email protected] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >> >>> Oh, another thing that would help is doing presentations on log4j. >>> Myself and a few others run a virtual java user group (and an in-person >>> one) in Illinois that accepts presenters from around the world for >>> instance. Then there's the London VirtualJUG as well which is super >>> popular. Plus any local JUGs. >>> >>> On 13 June 2016 at 09:54, Matt Sicker <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've noticed a big problem is that people don't realize you can use >>>> log4j-api the same way you would normally use slf4j-api. Plus it doesn't >>>> help that tons of Apache projects are using SLF4J which makes it a sort of >>>> tacit endorsement of it over log4j-api. >>>> >>>> Some attention on sites like Reddit or StackOverflow might help. >>>> >>>> On 13 June 2016 at 09:52, Remko Popma <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in terms >>>>> of feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is >>>>> quite >>>>> slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j 2? Or >>>>> even how many Apache projects? >>>>> >>>>> I propose we try to generate some ideas about what we can do to >>>>> increase our uptake. Some things I've been thinking about: >>>>> >>>>> * Rewrite the Wikipedia page on Log4j >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4j>. It's mostly about Log4j 1.2 >>>>> and mentions Log4j 2 at the bottom in a footnote. That needs to be the >>>>> other way around in my opinion. The Wikipedia Java logging framework >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_logging_framework> page is even >>>>> worse. >>>>> * The Apache Logging site <https://logging.apache.org/> has no >>>>> explicit mention that Log4j 1 is EOL. >>>>> * Only the top page on the Log4j 1 site >>>>> <https://logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2/> mentions that the project is >>>>> EOL, but it does so in two modest sentences that don't visually stick out >>>>> and are easily ignored. At the very least the download page needs a >>>>> mention >>>>> of the EOL and a link to the Log4j 2 project, but it may be good to have a >>>>> notification on every page. >>>>> * Can we get other people involved in evangelizing log4j 2? It would >>>>> be great if we can make more people enthusiastic so they write blog posts >>>>> or tutorials etc about Log4j 2. >>>>> * How can we incentivise people to convert their project to Log4j 2? >>>>> Maybe start a page on Projects Using Log4j 2 and mention people who did >>>>> the >>>>> conversion by name? Or some other way? >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Remko >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Sicker <[email protected] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >>> >> > > > -- > Matt Sicker <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> >
