On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote:
> I don't think we should create a new module just to save a single digit > number of KB in core. > So from your POV, it's all about reducing dependencies? I'm just trying to understand what the landscape is here... Gary > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree with Mikael here. It would be nice to include the abstract base >>> classes in log4j-core if they're dependency-free, but I don't have a strong >>> opinion on whether to make it its own module. >>> >>> Also, yes, log4j-nosql should be split along with the other modules. >>> >> >> Ah, right, dependencies. So: >> >> log4j-db >> log4j-db-nosql >> log4j-db-nosql-counchdb >> log4j-db-nosql-mongodb >> log4j-db-jdbc >> log4j-db-jpa >> >> If we really want to thin our core, that justifies having log4j-db and >> log4j-db-nosq. >> >> Then we are almost at the one package = one jar level. At least in this >> area. The one package = one jar would be one extreme way to deliver >> log4j but the dependencies, yikes. >> >> Gary >> >> >>> >>> On 5 December 2016 at 03:30, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would prefer the modules to be named like this to make names less >>>> clumsy: >>>> >>>> log4j-jdbc >>>> log4j-jpa >>>> log4j-jms >>>> log4j-kafka >>>> log4j-zeromq (better than log4j-jeromq) >>>> >>>> It seems like the proposed log4j-db module would be very small and not >>>> have any external dependencies? In that case I suggest we keep that stuff >>>> in log4j-core to avoid creating too many modules. We should only create new >>>> modules if they have external dependencies or are of considerable size. >>>> >>>> BTW, the log4j-nosql modules should probably be split up further into >>>> log4j-mongodb and log4j-couchdb. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think we should focus on splitting into modules now, and worry about >>>>> repos later. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Possible modules and names, with the idea that they all depend on >>>>>> log4j-db: >>>>>> >>>>>> log4j-db >>>>>> log4j-db-nosql >>>>>> log4j-db-jdbc >>>>>> log4j-db-jpa >>>>>> >>>>>> The naming hints that log4j-db is the parent of all log4j-db-* >>>>>> modules. >>>>>> >>>>>> We can do something similar for MOM (JMS) except that JMS, ZeroMQ and >>>>>> Kafka appenders do not share code but we could leave room for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> log4j-mom (not needed ATM) >>>>>> log4j-mom-jms >>>>>> log4j-mom-kafka >>>>>> log4j-mom-zeromq (or log4j-mom-jeromq) >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hm: NoSqlDatabaseManager extends AbstractDatabaseManager, so >>>>>>> log4j-nosql would depend on log4j-db unless we leave >>>>>>> AbstractDatabaseManager and friends in core. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish we had a better way to gauge what plugins are the most >>>>>>>> commonly used so we could trim it down to that in log4j-core, but >>>>>>>> alas, we >>>>>>>> can really only guess. With that in mind, that layout sounds like it >>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>> sense, though calling it "log4j-db" is somewhat confusing. I'd prefer >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> name had some sort of indicator that it wasn't a standalone module as >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> wouldn't have any concrete plugins in it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, would log4j-nosql need to depend on log4j-db? Could be a nice >>>>>>>> opportunity for refactoring if necessary as they all follow the same >>>>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 December 2016 at 15:40, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, I have a log4j-sql module split out locally. But it seems we >>>>>>>>> need instead: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - log4j-db (commons code, depends log4j-core) >>>>>>>>> - log4j-jdbc (JDBC only, depends on log4j-db) >>>>>>>>> - log4j-jpa (JPA only, depends on log4j-db) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would also repackage these out of .core. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Note the common code in .core.db for .core.db.jdbc and >>>>>>>>>> .core.db.jpa. It seems just that little bit should go in its own >>>>>>>>>> module or >>>>>>>>>> stay in core. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also: package names, it does not make sense to have JDBC and JPA >>>>>>>>>>> code under the .core. package anymore. I would: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Create the new modules with code not in .core. and deprecate the >>>>>>>>>>> equivalent in .core. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hm... this is also an opportunity to pick more precise names: >>>>>>>>>>>> log4j-jdbc and log4j-jpa >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for SQL, the JDBC one doesn't have any dependencies, so >>>>>>>>>>>>> that could stay in core if desired, but the JPA one does require >>>>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>> Java EE APIs, so that'd make sense to separate at the very least. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the nosql ones, again, it would be nice to split those >>>>>>>>>>>>> up so that there aren't optional dependencies. That would either >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean a >>>>>>>>>>>>> mongo and couch component, or it could also mean an additional >>>>>>>>>>>>> nosql-common >>>>>>>>>>>>> component (unless the abstract classes were put into log4j-core). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 December 2016 at 12:44, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on splitting out SQL and MOM (JMS) into their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modules? We already have a nosql module, having a sql one makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense. 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