You don't need to include "nosql" in the split modules. I'd only use "nosql" or "sql" as common dependencies (i.e., the abstract classes).
On 5 December 2016 at 11:23, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> > wrote: > >> I don't think we should create a new module just to save a single digit >> number of KB in core. >> > > So from your POV, it's all about reducing dependencies? I'm just trying to > understand what the landscape is here... > > Gary > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with Mikael here. It would be nice to include the abstract base >>>> classes in log4j-core if they're dependency-free, but I don't have a strong >>>> opinion on whether to make it its own module. >>>> >>>> Also, yes, log4j-nosql should be split along with the other modules. >>>> >>> >>> Ah, right, dependencies. So: >>> >>> log4j-db >>> log4j-db-nosql >>> log4j-db-nosql-counchdb >>> log4j-db-nosql-mongodb >>> log4j-db-jdbc >>> log4j-db-jpa >>> >>> If we really want to thin our core, that justifies having log4j-db and >>> log4j-db-nosq. >>> >>> Then we are almost at the one package = one jar level. At least in this >>> area. The one package = one jar would be one extreme way to deliver >>> log4j but the dependencies, yikes. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On 5 December 2016 at 03:30, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would prefer the modules to be named like this to make names less >>>>> clumsy: >>>>> >>>>> log4j-jdbc >>>>> log4j-jpa >>>>> log4j-jms >>>>> log4j-kafka >>>>> log4j-zeromq (better than log4j-jeromq) >>>>> >>>>> It seems like the proposed log4j-db module would be very small and not >>>>> have any external dependencies? In that case I suggest we keep that stuff >>>>> in log4j-core to avoid creating too many modules. We should only create >>>>> new >>>>> modules if they have external dependencies or are of considerable size. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, the log4j-nosql modules should probably be split up further into >>>>> log4j-mongodb and log4j-couchdb. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Mikael Ståldal < >>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think we should focus on splitting into modules now, and worry >>>>>> about repos later. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Possible modules and names, with the idea that they all depend on >>>>>>> log4j-db: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> log4j-db >>>>>>> log4j-db-nosql >>>>>>> log4j-db-jdbc >>>>>>> log4j-db-jpa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The naming hints that log4j-db is the parent of all log4j-db-* >>>>>>> modules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can do something similar for MOM (JMS) except that JMS, ZeroMQ >>>>>>> and Kafka appenders do not share code but we could leave room for that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> log4j-mom (not needed ATM) >>>>>>> log4j-mom-jms >>>>>>> log4j-mom-kafka >>>>>>> log4j-mom-zeromq (or log4j-mom-jeromq) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hm: NoSqlDatabaseManager extends AbstractDatabaseManager, so >>>>>>>> log4j-nosql would depend on log4j-db unless we leave >>>>>>>> AbstractDatabaseManager and friends in core. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wish we had a better way to gauge what plugins are the most >>>>>>>>> commonly used so we could trim it down to that in log4j-core, but >>>>>>>>> alas, we >>>>>>>>> can really only guess. With that in mind, that layout sounds like it >>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>> sense, though calling it "log4j-db" is somewhat confusing. I'd prefer >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> name had some sort of indicator that it wasn't a standalone module as >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> wouldn't have any concrete plugins in it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, would log4j-nosql need to depend on log4j-db? Could be a >>>>>>>>> nice opportunity for refactoring if necessary as they all follow the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> pattern. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4 December 2016 at 15:40, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I have a log4j-sql module split out locally. But it seems we >>>>>>>>>> need instead: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - log4j-db (commons code, depends log4j-core) >>>>>>>>>> - log4j-jdbc (JDBC only, depends on log4j-db) >>>>>>>>>> - log4j-jpa (JPA only, depends on log4j-db) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also repackage these out of .core. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note the common code in .core.db for .core.db.jdbc and >>>>>>>>>>> .core.db.jpa. It seems just that little bit should go in its own >>>>>>>>>>> module or >>>>>>>>>>> stay in core. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also: package names, it does not make sense to have JDBC and >>>>>>>>>>>> JPA code under the .core. package anymore. I would: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Create the new modules with code not in .core. and deprecate >>>>>>>>>>>> the equivalent in .core. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hm... this is also an opportunity to pick more precise names: >>>>>>>>>>>>> log4j-jdbc and log4j-jpa >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for SQL, the JDBC one doesn't have any dependencies, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could stay in core if desired, but the JPA one does require >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java EE APIs, so that'd make sense to separate at the very least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for the nosql ones, again, it would be nice to split those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up so that there aren't optional dependencies. That would either >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mongo and couch component, or it could also mean an additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nosql-common >>>>>>>>>>>>>> component (unless the abstract classes were put into log4j-core). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 December 2016 at 12:44, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on splitting out SQL and MOM (JMS) into their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modules? We already have a nosql module, having a sql one makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense. 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