"Bryan J. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dimitrios Bogiatzoules, LPI Product Developer wrote: > > I thought it was rather clear, that we are talking about 2 first exams > > not only one: > > https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3#First_Exams > > And I will re-iterate I think the best 2 exams to start with are: > - Auth/Dir/Name > - File/Print
That _is_ the general idea that came out of the market research. However, the interest and focus was highly concentrated on Samba and LDAP. > You cover how you access, authenticate and map system/user/group objects > across an enterprise in the first one. > > Then you cover how you access, authorize and map file resource objects > between file servers and clients in the second one. > > Otherwise, you're going to be covering a _lot_ of things redundantly. Bryan, I do like where you're going with this. Could you write something more concrete on these scopes somewhere up on the wiki? > > IMHO there won't be a core LPIC-3 exam because the specialisations are > > too different. > > To me, authorizing, directing and naming objects on a network are _core_ > to _all_ other facilities. If we start hashing that at each exam level, > we'll have a pretty "cookbook" exam that only addresses simplistic and > _non_ "real-world" solutions. I'm not certain if there will be a core exam for level 3. If there is, though, (and it has been discussed) it would be the authentication exam. > > Right now we should hurry and get the proposed tasks for the surveys > > done for > > https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3LDAP > > (no tasks entered at all) > > Unfortunately, I can't built the LDAP exam with this setup. I'm going > to build a generic LDAP exam that has _no_ "real-world" application. > > Unless, of course, you want me to turn the LDAP exam into a generic > auth/dir/name support exam. I can do that, and make a LDAP exam that is > "real-world" but focuses on a lot of things outside of LDAP. > > And that includes tying in Winbind, Samba schema, NFS automounter maps, > etc... You nailed it, AFAIC. I think that everyone helping here has to step out of the 'this is the way I set up XYZ' and think about the bigger picture and all of the possibilities with these technologies. The reason that we're picking things like Samba and LDAP is because they are big, complex and important technologies. We want people that pass these exams to be knowledgable about these complexities. Taki wrote: > > https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3Samba > > (a lot of task entered but the client issue is still under discussion) > > If you look at the (short) history of the wiki pages you will see that > > it started as File Sharing Services ;-). Not by me, it didn't ;) > > I agree that at the moment other file services do not make sense: we > > shouldn't certify anything that employers do not need. > > I honestly thing statements like that is going to flush LPIC-3 down the > toilet. I must live in a fantasy world where people have to support > more than just Windows clients, and they don't like to just "turn on" > NFS where it trusts any system in an IP address range and does no > further authentication and authorization. Those guys will be happy with LPIC-1 :) > Yes, this might seem a bit of "devil's advocate," but it's my honest, > professional opinion -- I have to concede it. At this point, I can only > assume this focus on the exams is being driven by marketing by using the > project names like Samba, LDAP, etc... or possibly due to the fact that > some people believe "directory services is hard," etc... I honestly > can't believe people believe only Windows clients are being used with > UNIX/Linux servers out there. You wouldn't be completely wrong in your assumption. Luckily, the marketing folks aren't on this list. As long as we cover the 'important' things to them (which is the enterprise level use of these technologies), we're good to formulate this in any way we think works best. > > https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Examdev/LPIC-3FutureExams > > you'll see that XEN is already proposed by Ralph Dehner. > > Well, as far as I'm concerned, I'd say yes but I'm not LPI :-D Let's > > hear what Matt has to say, too! > > Again, I recommended we look at an "Availability and Redundancy" exam. > We can cover a lot of concepts. True. This list is more to see what is in people's interest. BTW, weren't you working on an all encompassing proposal on LPIC-3 developement? Whatever became of it? Taki writes: > > What you describe above is the main idea of the Level 3 certification. > > At that level an employee would be (almost) always specialised in one > > technology area and we will offer the certification for that areas. If > > one masters all Level 3 exams, then we may need to create a Guru > > certificate.... hmmm, LPIC-4... Of course, how do you know when you've passed them all. We may add another one. > How you authenticate objects, list resources or other network objects > and how you find out where those nodes are can't be any more elementary > to any and all services on a network. Shouving that into a Samba exam > with a Windows-only focus and -- from an enterprise standpoint -- either > standalone or native ADS-only viewpoint -- seems like the wrong message > to send. > Something that a LDAP exam won't be able to address without some > coordination. A basic enterprise auth/dir/name that should be covering > things that the Samba exam will be very limited in. Agreed. Keep in mind guys, that when it comes time to do the JTA, all the tasks will be lumped together. It'll be up to us, in the early fall, to combobulate them back into two real sets of objectives/exams. We still have lots of wiggle room provided that we come up with an encompassing list of tasks for people to vote on. Regards, -- g. matthew rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products _______________________________________________ lpi-examdev mailing list [email protected] http://list.lpi.org/mailman/listinfo/lpi-examdev
