Yes, however, nowadays EeePC 7 inches comes with 4 GB flash. Most emerging countries might have hard drive more than 2 GB. For the sake of some old models of netbook(most hard disk will have more than 2GB), I don't think it's good to sacrifice the importance of OpenOffice.org in emerging countries and normal users usage. OpenOffice.org is quite important, especially in low bandwidth environment like developing countries, it's a need to include. Because it requires a bigger disk space, does not mean it should not be included because of that.
We should look in a bigger context. There are already distro serving the needs of the minimal disk space dedicated netbook. Regards John Thng On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Andrew Woodhead < [email protected]> wrote: > I think openoffice is a bad choice, you can easily put this into context: > > EEEPC 2G comes with a 2Gb internal drive, OpenOffice installed is 500Mb, > that 25% of the entire storage taken up by an office suite. > > Not exactly light is it.... > > > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Ed Hewitt <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I agree with mario, I have always believed that Lubuntu needs to come with >> some important applications for the end user to be able to use "out of the >> box". I believe the goal is to have a distro which can run on very low >> requirements which has a great usability with the help of carefully selected >> applications for their usefulness and being light. >> >> 2009/7/1 Mario Behling <[email protected]> >> >> Hello everyone, >>> >>> it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We >>> had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to >>> each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those >>> meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some >>> people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany. >>> >>> About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a >>> fair bit of discussion about it already. >>> >>> I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around >>> emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what >>> would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu >>> can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight, >>> but at the same time include essential features (that work for the >>> user group we aim for). >>> >>> Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African >>> countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people >>> say "you can just download and install applications on top of a >>> minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an >>> option. >>> >>> In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we >>> also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out. >>> They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420 >>> screen resolution in China. >>> >>> So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first >>> thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single >>> applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later >>> point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch. >>> >>> The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest >>> something else? >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Mario >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain >>> possible >>> > candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web >>> browser >>> > category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others. >>> But >>> > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen >>> Firefox >>> > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting >>> members >>> > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of >>> > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK. >>> > >>> > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with >>> regards to >>> > the decision on applications? >>> > >>> > From: Ed Hewitt <[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy >>> & >>> > Slow) >>> > >>> > I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have >>> missed >>> > out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since >>> yesterday. I >>> > have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu >>> could >>> > end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off >>> in >>> > the mailing lists. >>> > >>> > 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >> Wow, >>> >> >>> >> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff... >>> >> >>> >> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats >>> >> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :) >>> >> >>> >> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings >>> >> denote final say? >>> >> >>> >> Glen >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Hi everyone, >>> >> > >>> >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely >>> need >>> >> > time to follow the threads. >>> >> > >>> >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals >>> and >>> >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at >>> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of >>> the >>> >> > meeting >>> >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the >>> >> > goals of >>> >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what >>> has >>> >> > transpired so far. >>> >> > >>> >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting >>> is >>> >> > that >>> >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality >>> and >>> >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have >>> subjective >>> >> > meaning). >>> >> > >>> >> > The list of applications at >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications >>> >> > are >>> >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally, >>> >> > only >>> >> > one will be included from each application category. >>> >> > >>> >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox, >>> OpenOffice.org, >>> >> > VLC >>> >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on >>> the >>> >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting? >>> >> > >>> >> > From: Ed Hewitt <[email protected]> >>> >> > To: [email protected] >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM >>> >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu >>> (Heavy >>> >> > & >>> >> > Slow) >>> >> > >>> >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to >>> think >>> >> > so. >>> >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough. >>> >> > >>> >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <[email protected]> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements >>> >> >> >>> >> >> May help to guide >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Good point ed, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, >>> what >>> >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Jon York >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100 >>> >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> >> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu >>> (Heavy & >>> >> >>> Slow) >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, >>> having >>> >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its >>> all >>> >> >>> about >>> >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to >>> have >>> >> >>> one >>> >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is >>> >> >>> bundled >>> >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the >>> box >>> >> >>> which >>> >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment. >>> >> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: >>> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : >>> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.edhewitt.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: >> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> >> Post to : [email protected] >> Unsubscribe : >> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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