I agree with mario, I have always believed that Lubuntu needs to come with some important applications for the end user to be able to use "out of the box". I believe the goal is to have a distro which can run on very low requirements which has a great usability with the help of carefully selected applications for their usefulness and being light.
2009/7/1 Mario Behling <m...@mariobehling.de> > Hello everyone, > > it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We > had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to > each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those > meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some > people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany. > > About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a > fair bit of discussion about it already. > > I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around > emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what > would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu > can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight, > but at the same time include essential features (that work for the > user group we aim for). > > Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African > countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people > say "you can just download and install applications on top of a > minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an > option. > > In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we > also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out. > They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420 > screen resolution in China. > > So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first > thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single > applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later > point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch. > > The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest > something else? > > All the best, > > Mario > > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elf...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain > possible > > candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web browser > > category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others. > But > > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen > Firefox > > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting > members > > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of > > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK. > > > > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with regards > to > > the decision on applications? > > > > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahew...@googlemail.com> > > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & > > Slow) > > > > I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have > missed > > out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since > yesterday. I > > have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu could > > end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off in > > the mailing lists. > > > > 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <gbiz...@gmail.com> > >> > >> Wow, > >> > >> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff... > >> > >> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats > >> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :) > >> > >> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings > >> denote final say? > >> > >> Glen > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elf...@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Hi everyone, > >> > > >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely > need > >> > time to follow the threads. > >> > > >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals and > >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at > >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the > >> > meeting > >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the > >> > goals of > >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what has > >> > transpired so far. > >> > > >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting is > >> > that > >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality > and > >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have > subjective > >> > meaning). > >> > > >> > The list of applications at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications > >> > are > >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally, > >> > only > >> > one will be included from each application category. > >> > > >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox, > OpenOffice.org, > >> > VLC > >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on the > >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting? > >> > > >> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahew...@googlemail.com> > >> > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu > (Heavy > >> > & > >> > Slow) > >> > > >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to > think > >> > so. > >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough. > >> > > >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> > >> >> > >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements > >> >> > >> >> May help to guide > >> >> > >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <jr_...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Good point ed, > >> >>> > >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves. > >> >>> > >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, > what > >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs? > >> >>> > >> >>> Jon York > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> ________________________________ > >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100 > >> >>> From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com > >> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy > & > >> >>> Slow) > >> >>> > >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, > having > >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its > all > >> >>> about > >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to > have > >> >>> one > >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop. > >> >>> > >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is > >> >>> bundled > >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the > box > >> >>> which > >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment. > >> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> > Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : > https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop<https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- www.edhewitt.co.uk
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