Tim In all honesty and trying not to be offensive.
You are living in Uganda but you are not in Uganda. > > For me the definition is simple. > u > Theft = The taking of something that does not belong to you without > the permission of the rightful owner. [] As stated by Abdi we leave in twisted times where in some cases the artists pay the stations to play their music. > > I assume that you will agree that in this instance you are taking the > copyrighted works of these artists, and that also you don't have their > permission to take it? > > Now your argument, if I can summarise it correctly, is that other > people are doing the same to the artists, so that makes it ok for you > to also do this. Is this a correct summary? > > If so, then there is not much point in in continuing this discussion, > as we are never going to persuade each other of the morality of our > positions on this subject. > [] Tim If you insist on narrowing this whole engagement on the definition of theft then you are right not to continue. If you are prepared to step back and look at the wider positive implications of this engagement then surely there is allot more that could come out of this. As Kyle has also pointed out the grey area seems to be wider here and the value of engagement is to narrow the grey area and look for a compromise position where all parties benefit. In the absence of that they will be more loosers than winners in this debate. > Thanks > Tim > > e > On 9 August 2010 12:39, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > > >> > >> Will you be releasing this code, so that others will be able to > >> benefit from and extend it? > >> > > Not yet to the general public but down the road maybe. > > > > > >> > > >> > >> I am not convinced that the morality of theft is subjective. If you > >> take the copyrighted material of artists, and do not obey the > license > >> terms of the material, then surely this is theft? Whether or not you > >> seek to make money - and we all want to make money - is irrelevant. > >> > > > > If you leave in Uganda which I hope you do and watch local TV or > listen to > > local radio stations then you are also contributing to the "immoral > act of > > stealing" since it is on record that none of the stations actually > payout to > > the artist. > > > > > > > >> > >> But you would be making money from the content, because without the > >> content the site is nothing.[] > > [] > > For your information the primary objective of this work is to start > > practical dialogue in local content. Making money out of this is not > even > > in my plan for the next 12 months. We need to move web development > beyond > > the basics of put a site up and charge someone to visit. That is a > very low > > level transactional development with minimal sustainability. > > > >> > > >> > We need to engage more on this and not limit what we do to whether > it > >> fits > >> > into some law or not. > >> > >> ????? > >> > >> Really? > >> > > Yes really, if I read you right our role in society should be to > comply with > > whatever has been prescribed and not question or dare to want to > change the > > status quo. The whole debate of the internet and it's impact on > society is > > far wider that you seem to want us to cover here and thus the > insistence on > > questioning the morals of what we do. > > > > The laws of Uganda have major gaps and experiments like this open > these out > > to dialogue and should be open to all and not just the select few. > When you > > simplify this to subjective moral standards and summaries it to > calling it > > theft I would call that morally wrong based on my subjective > standards of > > morality. > > > > > > > >> > >> You have proof that these stations are perpetrating systematic > theft? > >> Can you put that proof forward in the public domain? > >> > > I engage with many local artists and I can assure you none of them > get any > > payments from radio stations. Neither do international artists. > Nore do > > the programs aired on Bukede TV with luganda voice overs. > > > > > > > >> As someone else pointed out in this thread the fact that somebody > else > >> is stealing doesn't make it right for you to. > >> > > > > > > Can you legally as per the current laws of Uganda support your > statement > > that this is THEFT ?? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail- > archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for > them in any way. > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > WebERP Africa Ltd > +447710427049 > +256752963327 > +255784602561 > www.weberpafrica.com > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail- > archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any > way. > --------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---------------------------------------
