:-) Tim I understand your position but maybe signing off is not how to correct the issue. Bottom line is our society has always been one where knowledge is not shared. So maybe silence is not because people do not want to engage but may be because they do not think it is critical.
I released yradio on lug first because I believe most future actors in the local content space are here. Local content thats easily created for the internet already exists in some form or another and whoever will be localizing will come across some kind of "copyright/IPR" issue. We are currently working on a localization project that will try to translate both the bible and quran in as many of uganda's languages as possible online. I know the issues we have discussed and many more would arise in one way or another. > > Well Badru I find it very depressing that I am alone in defending the > rights of copyright holders on a LUG mailing list. I think that there > are very few other countries in the world that this would be so, and > that is so sad for the future of this country. We should surely be > leading the fight for the rights of copyright holders, and not > defending those who abuse them. > > However I am obviously in a minority of one on this list, so am going > to sign off from this thread. > [] Signing off does not help. You are an open source user because many before you did not sign off. Regards badru > > > On 9 August 2010 13:22, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Tim > > > > In all honesty and trying not to be offensive. > > > > You are living in Uganda but you are not in Uganda. > > > > > >> > >> For me the definition is simple. > >> u > >> Theft = The taking of something that does not belong to you without > >> the permission of the rightful owner. > > > > [] > > As stated by Abdi we leave in twisted times where in some cases the > artists > > pay the stations to play their music. > >> > >> I assume that you will agree that in this instance you are taking > the > >> copyrighted works of these artists, and that also you don't have > their > >> permission to take it? > >> > >> Now your argument, if I can summarise it correctly, is that other > >> people are doing the same to the artists, so that makes it ok for > you > >> to also do this. Is this a correct summary? > >> > >> If so, then there is not much point in in continuing this > discussion, > >> as we are never going to persuade each other of the morality of our > >> positions on this subject. > >> > > > > [] > > Tim If you insist on narrowing this whole engagement on the > definition of > > theft then you are right not to continue. If you are prepared to > step back > > and look at the wider positive implications of this engagement then > surely > > there is allot more that could come out of this. As Kyle has also > pointed > > out the grey area seems to be wider here and the value of engagement > is to > > narrow the grey area and look for a compromise position where all > parties > > benefit. In the absence of that they will be more loosers than > winners in > > this debate. > > > > > >> Thanks > >> Tim > >> > >> e > >> On 9 August 2010 12:39, Badru Ntege (MPP) > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Will you be releasing this code, so that others will be able to > >> >> benefit from and extend it? > >> >> > >> > Not yet to the general public but down the road maybe. > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I am not convinced that the morality of theft is subjective. If > you > >> >> take the copyrighted material of artists, and do not obey the > >> license > >> >> terms of the material, then surely this is theft? Whether or not > you > >> >> seek to make money - and we all want to make money - is > irrelevant. > >> >> > >> > > >> > If you leave in Uganda which I hope you do and watch local TV or > >> listen to > >> > local radio stations then you are also contributing to the > "immoral > >> act of > >> > stealing" since it is on record that none of the stations actually > >> payout to > >> > the artist. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> But you would be making money from the content, because without > the > >> >> content the site is nothing.[] > >> > [] > >> > For your information the primary objective of this work is to > start > >> > practical dialogue in local content. Making money out of this is > not > >> even > >> > in my plan for the next 12 months. We need to move web > development > >> beyond > >> > the basics of put a site up and charge someone to visit. That is > a > >> very low > >> > level transactional development with minimal sustainability. > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > We need to engage more on this and not limit what we do to > whether > >> it > >> >> fits > >> >> > into some law or not. > >> >> > >> >> ????? > >> >> > >> >> Really? > >> >> > >> > Yes really, if I read you right our role in society should be to > >> comply with > >> > whatever has been prescribed and not question or dare to want to > >> change the > >> > status quo. The whole debate of the internet and it's impact on > >> society is > >> > far wider that you seem to want us to cover here and thus the > >> insistence on > >> > questioning the morals of what we do. > >> > > >> > The laws of Uganda have major gaps and experiments like this open > >> these out > >> > to dialogue and should be open to all and not just the select few. > >> When you > >> > simplify this to subjective moral standards and summaries it to > >> calling it > >> > theft I would call that morally wrong based on my subjective > >> standards of > >> > morality. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> You have proof that these stations are perpetrating systematic > >> theft? > >> >> Can you put that proof forward in the public domain? > >> >> > >> > I engage with many local artists and I can assure you none of them > >> get any > >> > payments from radio stations. Neither do international artists. > >> Nore do > >> > the programs aired on Bukede TV with luganda voice overs. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> As someone else pointed out in this thread the fact that somebody > >> else > >> >> is stealing doesn't make it right for you to. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Can you legally as per the current laws of Uganda support your > >> statement > >> > that this is THEFT ?? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > LUG mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> > > >> > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> > > >> > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail- > >> archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> > > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> (including attachments if any). 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