Well Badru did say earlier in this thread that he intends to earn money by this site, so I am unsure on which side you are arguing Mike. Should he pay some of the money he earns over to the artists or not?
On 09/08/2010, Mike Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: > wow... its getting hot in here.... Tim I think we miss what Badru started by > posting that link. He clearly and has clearly continued to say, " lets grow > this. lets tackle all those grey areas as we grow this". > > I pasted a section of our newest IPR and Copyright laws, which you all seem > to have ignored. There is no copyright that protects a broadcast. In our > current law, taking from what Patrick Okui said, you may go ahead and > rebrand a Sanyu FM broadcast and as per our law (i stand to be corrected) > you are not infringing on any ones rights. > > Granted that all artists have a right to their material and to have it > protected under the law, and this is catered for in the law. I had earlier > said that if Badru was re-broadcasting these earlier broadcasts with the > intention of making money, then the artists whose songs are aired in Badru's > re-broadcast have a right to sue Badru. If you are simply broadcasting with > no intention of earning anything from it, look at the law, it does not cater > for that. > > Tim, you seem bent on this copyright issue and rightfully so, but apply it > according to the laws of Uganda, not a law that we do not have in the land. > The reason there was an amendment to the old 1960's IPR and Copyright law > was to cater for the emerging markets. This is what Badru keeps on > mentioning that we need to grow as YRadio continues to develop. I don't > understand and see why you are opposing that. We need to grow, YRadio, in > this heated debate has brought out areas that need to be ironed out as far > as our laws are concerned. Stifling ideas because of looking at one > countries laws over another will not help us grow. Allow us to experience > this and make the necessary laws to protect our rights. You have learnt, let > us learn. Allow us the privilege of understanding what something is other > than enforcing something someone else has understood from its inception. > > Badru, charge on. > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Wire James <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > Get off your high horse. While many of us may be concerned about the > rights of copyright holders, the situation not only in Uganda but many other > African Countries outside South Africa is similar. Many times members on > this list who are in business can vouch for this, people have come up with > proposals, ideas, innovations e.t.c and they are 'stolen' from them > unashamedly and in most instances by corporates that originate from the so > called purist countries you are trying to talk about. I recall a very famous > case of one Lugger whose company tussled it out with a giant over > infringement of copyright on some software. This big company thought it > would frustrate the guy through the court process but luckily enough, he was > able to push on till the big elephant sought an out of court settlement. > However, how many people have been lucky enough to achieve such justice here > in Uganda? Few, very few. That is why you find the laissez faire attitude > among the list members because we have more pressing problems and needs than > pretending that copyright will change our lives. Many times we submit > proposals for jobs and they are 'copy n pasted' by competitors who have > insiders in the organisations we are approaching. It is a dog eat dog world > for now and I will unashamedly tell you that as for now, copyright issues > are at the bottom of our list of problems to think about. I would rather see > Badru's project go on if its aim has a more positive impact on this nation > eventually than guarding worthless songs that have nothing to copyright > about. Many of these musicians would not even earn a dime if copyright was > to be observed to the letter in this country. I remember 4 years ago a > musician I helped to get paid US$ 1500 for a 3 hour show all because I came > across his music on a website that he even didnt know about. Like someone > said, it is a skewed market. Just understand it the way it is. > > > > Wire > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:26 +0300, Tim Schofield wrote: > > On 09/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Tim, > > > > > > It's because 90% of the list members have not faced copy-right issues .. > > > Also, since almost 90% of our website materials in Uganda don't use > > > original materials one does not > > > yet see the need or importance of copy-right ... > > > > > > And again, remember this is a LUG list (Open-Source) where FREE, COPY, > > > RE-USE > > > is Legal ...with the OS mentality and mind-set, you can hardly have > support > > > or understanding of it here .. > > > > No no no no. Open source is only about free re-use if you keep within > > the narrow confines of the license that the software is issued under, > > for example the GPL. It in no way condones the abuse of copyright. > > Copyright is at the very heart of the GPL. Anyone on this list who is > > using a kernel more recent than 2.6.13 is using some of my copyrighted > > code which I allow them to do providing they stick to the letter of > > the license that the code is released under (GPL v2.0). > > > > Every open source developer, and those who benefit from the use of > > open source should be active in the protection of the rights of > > copyright holders. I have spoken at LUG meetings around the world, and > > never before found a group who consider that copyright holders rights > > should be abused. > > > > You clearly believe the rest of the world will throw off its > > fluffiness and join Uganda in this. Trust me you will be disappointed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > > > LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). 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