Tim,
It's because 90% of the list members have not faced copy-right issues ..
Also, since almost 90% of our website materials in Uganda don't use
original materials one does not
yet see the need or importance of copy-right ...
And again, remember this is a LUG list (Open-Source) where FREE, COPY,
RE-USE
is Legal ...with the OS mentality and mind-set, you can hardly have
support or understanding of it here ..
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:32:13 +0300, Tim Schofield <[email protected]>
wrote:
Well Badru I find it very depressing that I am alone in defending the
rights of copyright holders on a LUG mailing list. I think that there
are very few other countries in the world that this would be so, and
that is so sad for the future of this country. We should surely be
leading the fight for the rights of copyright holders, and not
defending those who abuse them.
However I am obviously in a minority of one on this list, so am going
to sign off from this thread.
Thanks,
Tim
On 9 August 2010 13:22, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]>
wrote:
Tim
In all honesty and trying not to be offensive.
You are living in Uganda but you are not in Uganda.
For me the definition is simple.
u
Theft = The taking of something that does not belong to you without
the permission of the rightful owner.
[]
As stated by Abdi we leave in twisted times where in some cases the
artists
pay the stations to play their music.
I assume that you will agree that in this instance you are taking the
copyrighted works of these artists, and that also you don't have their
permission to take it?
Now your argument, if I can summarise it correctly, is that other
people are doing the same to the artists, so that makes it ok for you
to also do this. Is this a correct summary?
If so, then there is not much point in in continuing this discussion,
as we are never going to persuade each other of the morality of our
positions on this subject.
[]
Tim If you insist on narrowing this whole engagement on the definition
of
theft then you are right not to continue. If you are prepared to step
back
and look at the wider positive implications of this engagement then
surely
there is allot more that could come out of this. As Kyle has also
pointed
out the grey area seems to be wider here and the value of engagement is
to
narrow the grey area and look for a compromise position where all
parties
benefit. In the absence of that they will be more loosers than winners
in
this debate.
Thanks
Tim
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On 9 August 2010 12:39, Badru Ntege (MPP) <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> Will you be releasing this code, so that others will be able to
>> benefit from and extend it?
>>
> Not yet to the general public but down the road maybe.
>
>
>> >
>>
>> I am not convinced that the morality of theft is subjective. If you
>> take the copyrighted material of artists, and do not obey the
license
>> terms of the material, then surely this is theft? Whether or not you
>> seek to make money - and we all want to make money - is irrelevant.
>>
>
> If you leave in Uganda which I hope you do and watch local TV or
listen to
> local radio stations then you are also contributing to the "immoral
act of
> stealing" since it is on record that none of the stations actually
payout to
> the artist.
>
>
>
>>
>> But you would be making money from the content, because without the
>> content the site is nothing.[]
> []
> For your information the primary objective of this work is to start
> practical dialogue in local content. Making money out of this is not
even
> in my plan for the next 12 months. We need to move web development
beyond
> the basics of put a site up and charge someone to visit. That is a
very low
> level transactional development with minimal sustainability.
>
>> >
>> > We need to engage more on this and not limit what we do to whether
it
>> fits
>> > into some law or not.
>>
>> ?????
>>
>> Really?
>>
> Yes really, if I read you right our role in society should be to
comply with
> whatever has been prescribed and not question or dare to want to
change the
> status quo. The whole debate of the internet and it's impact on
society is
> far wider that you seem to want us to cover here and thus the
insistence on
> questioning the morals of what we do.
>
> The laws of Uganda have major gaps and experiments like this open
these out
> to dialogue and should be open to all and not just the select few.
When you
> simplify this to subjective moral standards and summaries it to
calling it
> theft I would call that morally wrong based on my subjective
standards of
> morality.
>
>
>
>>
>> You have proof that these stations are perpetrating systematic
theft?
>> Can you put that proof forward in the public domain?
>>
> I engage with many local artists and I can assure you none of them
get any
> payments from radio stations. Neither do international artists.
Nore do
> the programs aired on Bukede TV with luganda voice overs.
>
>
>
>> As someone else pointed out in this thread the fact that somebody
else
>> is stealing doesn't make it right for you to.
>>
>
>
> Can you legally as per the current laws of Uganda support your
statement
> that this is THEFT ??
>
>
>
>
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