Well trust me the corolla and the merc have very different functionality - I have owned both. The two mp3 players I mentioned are identical in functionality, just the one made in the Chinese sweatshop costs a lot more for the apple logo, but the user experience is identical.
On 6 October 2011 16:55, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > You always have good points, but on this one i have to take the other side. > Your argument would make sense if they were exactly the same and delivered > the same user experience. > For example toyota corola vs mercedes benz ... both cars, with 4 wheels, > doors, stereo system etc, etc, etc. You cant honestly say drivers of a benz > are being cheated by the marked up price beacuse it does exactly the same > function as the corola. > > I too used to think my honda accord was just as good as any BMW/Benz/Lexus > until i actually drove one. I saw in an early post that you would never use > an apple product. I think if you gave them a shot your stance may soften if > not change completely :) > > Other than that i am happy i was alive to enjoy Mr Jobs genius, whether it > be marketing or innovation > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well firstly shoving things down peoples throats is bad marketing, I >> never claimed he did that. >> >> If you are saying he wasn't a marketing genius, then what are you >> saying about him? He never claimed to be any good at the technology >> side of the business. >> >> Let me explain. Taking a UK retailer at more or less random >> (www.argos.co.uk) they are today retailing a sony walkman 8GB mp3 >> player at GBP79.99 and they are selling an ipod nano 8GB mp3 player at >> GBP131.99. That is a mark-up of 65% on the Sony. Now they both have >> the same storage (8 gigabytes), they both play mp3 files decoded in an >> identical way, so the quality of sound will be the same, and it will >> just depend on the headphones. I defy anyone to tell them apart on the >> sound quality. Functionally they are more or less the same. So they >> have the same storage capacity the same quality output, and they do >> the same things. Which sells the more? You don't need me to tell you >> that the ipod outsells the walkman by a large factor. >> >> So Steve Jobs' genius is that he made many many millions of people pay >> 65% more for a device made in a Chinese sweatshop instead of buying >> its equivalent made in a Japanese factory famed for its quality >> engineering. Now are you seriously telling me that you don't consider >> the guy a marketing genius? >> >> What he did, and I've heard it said on this list many times, is that >> he made the people who bought his devices feel that they were super >> cool. He made them feel that when they went out with a device that had >> the apple logo on that they were cooler, and sexier than the person >> without those devices. How many of us here who run a business wish we >> had that talent? >> >> >> >> On 6 October 2011 15:29, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > In school I learnt that price is determined by demand and supply >> > >> > In life, I have seen monopolies shut down, I don't think Steve Jobs >> > shoved his products down anyone's throat >> > >> > It's not like Apple is a govt monopoly, forcing people to buy products >> > >> > Freewill is the driver >> > >> > Some of his projects, didn't fair as well >> > >> > For example, I don't eat fish, but I ll resist from calling it rubbish >> > >> > >> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "Richard B. Sennoga" <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Tim - >> >> >> >> It's not rubbish that Steve sold to you expensively. He sold talent, >> >> creativity, quality and magic. Indeed, putting a price to that bundle >> >> would >> >> be an understatement. For the few years I've been on earth, no one has >> >> sold >> >> a thing to me of that description. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 17:09, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Well I'm not convinced that there is another man in the world who can >> >>> convince so many people to buy so much over priced rubbish. >> >>> >> >>> I don't mean that in any way to be an insult, I have been an admirer >> >>> of his abilities in marketing for a very long time. Marketing is an >> >>> incredibly difficult skill (I don't mean marketing in the same way the >> >>> hundreds of kids running around Kampala claiming to be a marketing >> >>> business do). To persuade people to believe in a product that is >> >>> mundane is really something else. >> >>> >> >>> He truly had a genius for it, but now he is gone..... >> >>> >> >>> On 6 October 2011 14:52, Otandeka Simon Peter <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Yes he is gone but it is also another opportunity for Tim Cook and >> >>>> his team >> >>>> to shine much as they will remain living in the shadow of Steve (RIP) >> >>>> for >> >>>> some time. I believe Apple is not a one-man show. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> He was probably the greatest marketing genius ever. Without him >> >>>>> apple >> >>>>> are just another technology company selling overpriced products. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 6 October 2011 13:54, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> While launching the iPod he asked the audience, he always wondered >> >>>>>> why >> >>>>>> jeans >> >>>>>> had a small inner pocket >> >>>>>> And now he figured it out, to keep an iPod >> >>>>>> To call him a genius is an understatement, having said that he had >> >>>>>> missteps >> >>>>>> but he never kept trying,never lost the faith >> >>>>>> The story of him getting upset with google when their logo had a >> >>>>>> problem >> >>>>>> with it's yellow gradient, shows his great attention to details was >> >>>>>> probably >> >>>>>> second to none >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Faisal Seif <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> He is one of the Most Creative creatures on Earth... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> RIP Steve Jobs, >> >>>>>> You fought a good fight, and your works live on forever >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >>>>>> (including >> >>>>>> attachments if any). 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