They are both cars, they both get you from point A to point B. Even a fully loaded Corolla with all the options (i think thats a Lexus) doesnt come close to a Benz.
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> wrote: > Well trust me the corolla and the merc have very different > functionality - I have owned both. The two mp3 players I mentioned are > identical in functionality, just the one made in the Chinese sweatshop > costs a lot more for the apple logo, but the user experience is > identical. > > > On 6 October 2011 16:55, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > You always have good points, but on this one i have to take the other > side. > > Your argument would make sense if they were exactly the same and > delivered > > the same user experience. > > For example toyota corola vs mercedes benz ... both cars, with 4 wheels, > > doors, stereo system etc, etc, etc. You cant honestly say drivers of a > benz > > are being cheated by the marked up price beacuse it does exactly the same > > function as the corola. > > > > I too used to think my honda accord was just as good as any > BMW/Benz/Lexus > > until i actually drove one. I saw in an early post that you would never > use > > an apple product. I think if you gave them a shot your stance may soften > if > > not change completely :) > > > > Other than that i am happy i was alive to enjoy Mr Jobs genius, whether > it > > be marketing or innovation > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Well firstly shoving things down peoples throats is bad marketing, I > >> never claimed he did that. > >> > >> If you are saying he wasn't a marketing genius, then what are you > >> saying about him? He never claimed to be any good at the technology > >> side of the business. > >> > >> Let me explain. Taking a UK retailer at more or less random > >> (www.argos.co.uk) they are today retailing a sony walkman 8GB mp3 > >> player at GBP79.99 and they are selling an ipod nano 8GB mp3 player at > >> GBP131.99. That is a mark-up of 65% on the Sony. Now they both have > >> the same storage (8 gigabytes), they both play mp3 files decoded in an > >> identical way, so the quality of sound will be the same, and it will > >> just depend on the headphones. I defy anyone to tell them apart on the > >> sound quality. Functionally they are more or less the same. So they > >> have the same storage capacity the same quality output, and they do > >> the same things. Which sells the more? You don't need me to tell you > >> that the ipod outsells the walkman by a large factor. > >> > >> So Steve Jobs' genius is that he made many many millions of people pay > >> 65% more for a device made in a Chinese sweatshop instead of buying > >> its equivalent made in a Japanese factory famed for its quality > >> engineering. Now are you seriously telling me that you don't consider > >> the guy a marketing genius? > >> > >> What he did, and I've heard it said on this list many times, is that > >> he made the people who bought his devices feel that they were super > >> cool. He made them feel that when they went out with a device that had > >> the apple logo on that they were cooler, and sexier than the person > >> without those devices. How many of us here who run a business wish we > >> had that talent? > >> > >> > >> > >> On 6 October 2011 15:29, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > In school I learnt that price is determined by demand and supply > >> > > >> > In life, I have seen monopolies shut down, I don't think Steve Jobs > >> > shoved his products down anyone's throat > >> > > >> > It's not like Apple is a govt monopoly, forcing people to buy products > >> > > >> > Freewill is the driver > >> > > >> > Some of his projects, didn't fair as well > >> > > >> > For example, I don't eat fish, but I ll resist from calling it rubbish > >> > > >> > > >> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "Richard B. Sennoga" <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Tim - > >> >> > >> >> It's not rubbish that Steve sold to you expensively. He sold talent, > >> >> creativity, quality and magic. Indeed, putting a price to that bundle > would > >> >> be an understatement. For the few years I've been on earth, no one > has sold > >> >> a thing to me of that description. > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 17:09, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Well I'm not convinced that there is another man in the world who > can > >> >>> convince so many people to buy so much over priced rubbish. > >> >>> > >> >>> I don't mean that in any way to be an insult, I have been an admirer > >> >>> of his abilities in marketing for a very long time. Marketing is an > >> >>> incredibly difficult skill (I don't mean marketing in the same way > the > >> >>> hundreds of kids running around Kampala claiming to be a marketing > >> >>> business do). To persuade people to believe in a product that is > >> >>> mundane is really something else. > >> >>> > >> >>> He truly had a genius for it, but now he is gone..... > >> >>> > >> >>> On 6 October 2011 14:52, Otandeka Simon Peter <[email protected]> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Yes he is gone but it is also another opportunity for Tim Cook and > >> >>>> his team > >> >>>> to shine much as they will remain living in the shadow of Steve > (RIP) > >> >>>> for > >> >>>> some time. I believe Apple is not a one-man show. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Tim Schofield < > [email protected]> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> He was probably the greatest marketing genius ever. Without him > >> >>>>> apple > >> >>>>> are just another technology company selling overpriced products. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 6 October 2011 13:54, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> While launching the iPod he asked the audience, he always > wondered > >> >>>>>> why > >> >>>>>> jeans > >> >>>>>> had a small inner pocket > >> >>>>>> And now he figured it out, to keep an iPod > >> >>>>>> To call him a genius is an understatement, having said that he > had > >> >>>>>> missteps > >> >>>>>> but he never kept trying,never lost the faith > >> >>>>>> The story of him getting upset with google when their logo had a > >> >>>>>> problem > >> >>>>>> with it's yellow gradient, shows his great attention to details > was > >> >>>>>> probably > >> >>>>>> second to none > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Faisal Seif <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> He is one of the Most Creative creatures on Earth... > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Cavin Aaron < > [email protected]> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> RIP Steve Jobs, > >> >>>>>> You fought a good fight, and your works live on forever > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: > >> >>>>>> [email protected] > >> >>>>>> Mailing list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: > >> >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > >> >>>>>> (including > >> >>>>>> attachments if any). 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