Yes but there are differences in the user experience. Presumably you will agree that an mp3 file sounds the same on the Apple and the Sony device? Blindfolded you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You would with the cars. On 6 Oct 2011 17:45, "sanga collins" <[email protected]> wrote: > They are both cars, they both get you from point A to point B. Even a fully > loaded Corolla with all the options (i think thats a Lexus) doesnt come > close to a Benz. > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well trust me the corolla and the merc have very different >> functionality - I have owned both. The two mp3 players I mentioned are >> identical in functionality, just the one made in the Chinese sweatshop >> costs a lot more for the apple logo, but the user experience is >> identical. >> >> >> On 6 October 2011 16:55, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi Tim, >> > >> > You always have good points, but on this one i have to take the other >> side. >> > Your argument would make sense if they were exactly the same and >> delivered >> > the same user experience. >> > For example toyota corola vs mercedes benz ... both cars, with 4 wheels, >> > doors, stereo system etc, etc, etc. You cant honestly say drivers of a >> benz >> > are being cheated by the marked up price beacuse it does exactly the same >> > function as the corola. >> > >> > I too used to think my honda accord was just as good as any >> BMW/Benz/Lexus >> > until i actually drove one. I saw in an early post that you would never >> use >> > an apple product. I think if you gave them a shot your stance may soften >> if >> > not change completely :) >> > >> > Other than that i am happy i was alive to enjoy Mr Jobs genius, whether >> it >> > be marketing or innovation >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Well firstly shoving things down peoples throats is bad marketing, I >> >> never claimed he did that. >> >> >> >> If you are saying he wasn't a marketing genius, then what are you >> >> saying about him? He never claimed to be any good at the technology >> >> side of the business. >> >> >> >> Let me explain. Taking a UK retailer at more or less random >> >> (www.argos.co.uk) they are today retailing a sony walkman 8GB mp3 >> >> player at GBP79.99 and they are selling an ipod nano 8GB mp3 player at >> >> GBP131.99. That is a mark-up of 65% on the Sony. Now they both have >> >> the same storage (8 gigabytes), they both play mp3 files decoded in an >> >> identical way, so the quality of sound will be the same, and it will >> >> just depend on the headphones. I defy anyone to tell them apart on the >> >> sound quality. Functionally they are more or less the same. So they >> >> have the same storage capacity the same quality output, and they do >> >> the same things. Which sells the more? You don't need me to tell you >> >> that the ipod outsells the walkman by a large factor. >> >> >> >> So Steve Jobs' genius is that he made many many millions of people pay >> >> 65% more for a device made in a Chinese sweatshop instead of buying >> >> its equivalent made in a Japanese factory famed for its quality >> >> engineering. Now are you seriously telling me that you don't consider >> >> the guy a marketing genius? >> >> >> >> What he did, and I've heard it said on this list many times, is that >> >> he made the people who bought his devices feel that they were super >> >> cool. He made them feel that when they went out with a device that had >> >> the apple logo on that they were cooler, and sexier than the person >> >> without those devices. How many of us here who run a business wish we >> >> had that talent? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 October 2011 15:29, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > In school I learnt that price is determined by demand and supply >> >> > >> >> > In life, I have seen monopolies shut down, I don't think Steve Jobs >> >> > shoved his products down anyone's throat >> >> > >> >> > It's not like Apple is a govt monopoly, forcing people to buy products >> >> > >> >> > Freewill is the driver >> >> > >> >> > Some of his projects, didn't fair as well >> >> > >> >> > For example, I don't eat fish, but I ll resist from calling it rubbish >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:21 AM, "Richard B. Sennoga" <[email protected] > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Tim - >> >> >> >> >> >> It's not rubbish that Steve sold to you expensively. He sold talent, >> >> >> creativity, quality and magic. Indeed, putting a price to that bundle >> would >> >> >> be an understatement. For the few years I've been on earth, no one >> has sold >> >> >> a thing to me of that description. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 17:09, Tim Schofield <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Well I'm not convinced that there is another man in the world who >> can >> >> >>> convince so many people to buy so much over priced rubbish. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I don't mean that in any way to be an insult, I have been an admirer >> >> >>> of his abilities in marketing for a very long time. Marketing is an >> >> >>> incredibly difficult skill (I don't mean marketing in the same way >> the >> >> >>> hundreds of kids running around Kampala claiming to be a marketing >> >> >>> business do). To persuade people to believe in a product that is >> >> >>> mundane is really something else. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> He truly had a genius for it, but now he is gone..... >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 6 October 2011 14:52, Otandeka Simon Peter <[email protected] > >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Yes he is gone but it is also another opportunity for Tim Cook and >> >> >>>> his team >> >> >>>> to shine much as they will remain living in the shadow of Steve >> (RIP) >> >> >>>> for >> >> >>>> some time. I believe Apple is not a one-man show. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Tim Schofield < >> [email protected]> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> He was probably the greatest marketing genius ever. Without him >> >> >>>>> apple >> >> >>>>> are just another technology company selling overpriced products. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On 6 October 2011 13:54, Cavin Aaron <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> While launching the iPod he asked the audience, he always >> wondered >> >> >>>>>> why >> >> >>>>>> jeans >> >> >>>>>> had a small inner pocket >> >> >>>>>> And now he figured it out, to keep an iPod >> >> >>>>>> To call him a genius is an understatement, having said that he >> had >> >> >>>>>> missteps >> >> >>>>>> but he never kept trying,never lost the faith >> >> >>>>>> The story of him getting upset with google when their logo had a >> >> >>>>>> problem >> >> >>>>>> with it's yellow gradient, shows his great attention to details >> was >> >> >>>>>> probably >> >> >>>>>> second to none >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Faisal Seif <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> He is one of the Most Creative creatures on Earth... >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Cavin Aaron < >> [email protected]> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> RIP Steve Jobs, >> >> >>>>>> You fought a good fight, and your works live on forever >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>>>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>>>> Mailing list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> >>>>>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> >> >>>>>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> >> >>>>>> (including >> >> >>>>>> attachments if any). 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