Hi Benjamin, I see what you mean. That actually is even worse. I must admit I am complete spoiled living where I live not having a public IP is unthinkable!
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour < [email protected]> wrote: > No Sanga, you are thinking of not having static IPs. That can be > alleviated with dynamic DNS services. Not having a *public* IP is something > entirely different. > > I agree with everything Kyle says. The problem ultimately boils down to > Uganda's not being a democracy. If the government operated under threat of > expulsion, they would have incentive actually to care for the individual > citizen. As it stands now, the ISPs can do pretty much whatever they want > as long as they make the government happy by paying homage and taxes. > > > On 23 July 2013 15:27, sanga collins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get around not having >> a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type services, but in the long run it is >> not the most Ideal solution. Having that fat pipe of bandwidth is IMO the >> most crushing aspect. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Peter Atkin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kyle**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Very good summary completely concur.. people forget that each situation >>> (Time, Place and Resources) are often different so difference approaches >>> are required, what works for one does not mean it will work for the other. >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I am also tired of experts that live in bubbles completely isolated >>> from other bubble and the real world. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Kind Regards **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Peter Atkin**** >>> >>> (C.T.O)**** >>> >>> cfts.co (u) ltd.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Get I.T.Right **** >>> >>> +256-772-700781 | Skype: peter2cfu**** >>> >>> www.cfts.co.ug <http://www.cfts.co/> | location >>> details<http://www.cfts.co/contacts.html>| view >>> my profile <http://ug.linkedin.com/in/peteratkin>**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Kyle Spencer >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:38 PM >>> *To:* Uganda Linux User Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa will never >>> match the US Silicon Valley**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This is going to be a bit of an off-topic angry rant, but I'll add my >>> two cents here: >>> >>> I'm really sick of going to tech events and watching panels of fly-in's >>> from the World Bank, established corporations, or whatever, tell us we need >>> to "think bigger" or that we should look at Silicon Valley as some kind of >>> model to emulate. >>> >>> In my opinion this notion is ridiculous, primarily because the >>> technology we have access to today is fundamentally different than what >>> Silicon Valley had in its heyday. It's functionality has been crippled to >>> benefit incumbents and prevent disruptive technology: >>> >>> 1) Nobody has a public IP address. >>> >>> While we've bypassed the desktop revolution and jumped straight to >>> smart-phones, Internet access is now sold by mobile operators who NAT >>> everyone's connection. This prevents phones from receiving incoming >>> connections from the outside world. This makes peer-to-peer networking >>> nearly impossible and severely limits the potential functionality of mobile >>> applications. >>> >>> As a result, application developers typically must purchase "cloud" >>> services in order to relay data between their users. Control over the >>> network has become centralized and established service providers have >>> become gatekeepers. >>> >>> 2) Data-caps. >>> >>> Silicon Valley exploded when users moved from AOL, CompuServe, Prodigy, >>> and other services -- which sold walled-garden access by the "minute" -- to >>> flat-rate Internet plans sold by speed (e.g. dial-up, DSL, cable). >>> >>> Users did not have to make a cost decision every time they wanted to try >>> out new (often higher bandwidth) services like multi-player gaming, >>> Napster, Shoutcast, YouTube, MySpace, or whatever. Thus, new services >>> frequently emerged, many exploded in popularity, and networks had a huge >>> incentive to reinvest in their networks. >>> >>> In the wondrous desktop-skipping mobile revolution of today, access is >>> sold almost exclusively via data-capped bundles. Users need to make a cost >>> decision every time they do anything on the Internet. Disruptive, often >>> high-bandwidth services like YouTube are now an impossible proposition >>> because users can't afford to use the service. Service providers no longer >>> have as much incentive to reinvest in their networks. Application >>> developers shuffle around small amounts of data between users and nothing >>> more. >>> >>> In summary, expecting East Africa (or anywhere today) to emulate Silicon >>> Valley is ridiculous. We can't be the same thing; we don't have the same >>> tools. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kyle Spencer >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Otandeka Simon Peter < >>> [email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Food for thought..**** >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2013/07/08/3-reasons-why-silicon-semenya-kenya-will-never-match-silicon-valley-us/ >>> **** >>> >>> P. **** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> >>> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>> [email protected] >>> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> >>> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>> attachments if any). 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Collins >> Network Engineering >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Google Voice: (954) 324-1365 >> E- fax: (435) 578 7411 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> >> Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >> [email protected] >> Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> >> The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >> http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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