my home devices are always juniper ssg so not really worried about IPv6. My provider (Comcast) already configures new modems for residential and business customers with IPv6. Especially the TV set top boxes and DVRs. And our Fiber/MetroE is also IPv6 with IPv4 legacy support.
Mobile Device space is really where the impact could be huge, but unless you are serving up web pages and hosting quake tournments from a tablet or smartphone I dont see why NAT will be a deal breaker. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Spencer <k...@stormzero.com> wrote: > ISPs could solve this problem by deploying IPv6. > > The problem is, even if they deploy IPv6, they may still NAT mobile > devices because it keeps them in a position of control. > On Jul 23, 2013 10:34 PM, "Mwirima Byaruhanga" <e...@afrigeek.net> wrote: > >> >> >> sanga collins wrote thus on 7/23/13 9:26 PM: >> > Hi Benjamin, I see what you mean. That actually is even worse. I >> > must admit I am complete spoiled living where I live not having a >> > public IP is unthinkable! >> >> I'm afraid the unthinkable may be upon you soon, get ready. >> >> The American IP address registry (ARIN) is soon depleting its IPv4 >> address inventory. Your ISP will not be able to get any more IPv4 >> addresses, but will continue growing customers I presume, hence, >> more and more NAT and the possibility of losing that unicast IP >> address on your gadget for a private address. >> >> Of course that's assuming that your ISP will not have implemented >> IPv6, and even if they do, your gadget needs to support it. >> >> eb >> >> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour >> > <benja...@sandslott.org <mailto:benja...@sandslott.org>> wrote: >> > >> > No Sanga, you are thinking of not having static IPs. That can be >> > alleviated with dynamic DNS services. Not having a *public* IP >> > is something entirely different. >> > >> > I agree with everything Kyle says. The problem ultimately boils >> > down to Uganda's not being a democracy. If the government >> > operated under threat of expulsion, they would have incentive >> > actually to care for the individual citizen. As it stands now, >> > the ISPs can do pretty much whatever they want as long as they >> > make the government happy by paying homage and taxes. >> > >> > >> > On 23 July 2013 15:27, sanga collins <sanga.coll...@gmail.com >> > <mailto:sanga.coll...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > I agree with Kyle's points mostly, I think you can get >> > around not having a public IP by using Dynamic DNS type >> > services, but in the long run it is not the most Ideal >> > solution. Having that fat pipe of bandwidth is IMO the most >> > crushing aspect. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Peter Atkin >> > <peter.at...@cfts.co <mailto:peter.at...@cfts.co>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Kyle____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Very good summary completely concur.. people forget that >> > each situation (Time, Place and Resources) are often >> > different so difference approaches are required, what >> > works for one does not mean it will work for the other.____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > I am also tired of experts that live in bubbles >> > completely isolated from other bubble and the real >> > world. ____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Kind Regards____ >> > >> > ____ >> > >> > Peter Atkin____ >> > >> > (C.T.O)____ >> > >> > cfts.co <http://cfts.co> (u) ltd.____ >> > >> > ____ >> > >> > Get I.T.Right ____ >> > >> > +256-772-700781 <tel:%2B256-772-700781> | Skype: >> > peter2cfu____ >> > >> > www.cfts.co.ug <http://www.cfts.co/>| location details >> > <http://www.cfts.co/contacts.html>| view my profile >> > <http://ug.linkedin.com/in/peteratkin>____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > *From:*lug-boun...@linux.or.ug >> > <mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug> >> > [mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug >> > <mailto:lug-boun...@linux.or.ug>] *On Behalf Of *Kyle >> > Spencer >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:38 PM >> > *To:* Uganda Linux User Group >> > *Subject:* Re: [LUG] Why the Silicon Valleys' of Africa >> > will never match the US Silicon Valley____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > This is going to be a bit of an off-topic angry rant, >> > but I'll add my two cents here: >> > >> > I'm really sick of going to tech events and watching >> > panels of fly-in's from the World Bank, established >> > corporations, or whatever, tell us we need to "think >> > bigger" or that we should look at Silicon Valley as some >> > kind of model to emulate. >> > >> > In my opinion this notion is ridiculous, primarily >> > because the technology we have access to today is >> > fundamentally different than what Silicon Valley had in >> > its heyday. It's functionality has been crippled to >> > benefit incumbents and prevent disruptive technology: >> > >> > 1) Nobody has a public IP address. >> > >> > While we've bypassed the desktop revolution and jumped >> > straight to smart-phones, Internet access is now sold by >> > mobile operators who NAT everyone's connection. This >> > prevents phones from receiving incoming connections from >> > the outside world. This makes peer-to-peer networking >> > nearly impossible and severely limits the potential >> > functionality of mobile applications. >> > >> > As a result, application developers typically must >> > purchase "cloud" services in order to relay data between >> > their users. Control over the network has become >> > centralized and established service providers have >> > become gatekeepers. >> > >> > 2) Data-caps. >> > >> > Silicon Valley exploded when users moved from AOL, >> > CompuServe, Prodigy, and other services -- which sold >> > walled-garden access by the "minute" -- to flat-rate >> > Internet plans sold by speed (e.g. dial-up, DSL, cable). >> > >> > Users did not have to make a cost decision every time >> > they wanted to try out new (often higher bandwidth) >> > services like multi-player gaming, Napster, Shoutcast, >> > YouTube, MySpace, or whatever. Thus, new services >> > frequently emerged, many exploded in popularity, and >> > networks had a huge incentive to reinvest in their networks. >> > >> > In the wondrous desktop-skipping mobile revolution of >> > today, access is sold almost exclusively via data-capped >> > bundles. Users need to make a cost decision every time >> > they do anything on the Internet. Disruptive, often >> > high-bandwidth services like YouTube are now an >> > impossible proposition because users can't afford to use >> > the service. Service providers no longer have as much >> > incentive to reinvest in their networks. Application >> > developers shuffle around small amounts of data between >> > users and nothing more. >> > >> > In summary, expecting East Africa (or anywhere today) to >> > emulate Silicon Valley is ridiculous. We can't be the >> > same thing; we don't have the same tools. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Kyle Spencer >> > >> > ____ >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Otandeka Simon Peter >> > <sotand...@gmail.com <mailto:sotand...@gmail.com>> >> > wrote:____ >> > >> > __ __ >> > >> > Food for thought..____ >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.iddsalim.com/blog/2013/07/08/3-reasons-why-silicon-semenya-kenya-will-never-match-silicon-valley-us/____ >> > >> > P. ____ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >> > >> > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails >> > to: LUG@linux.or.ug <mailto:LUG@linux.or.ug> >> > Mailing list archives: >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ >> > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >> > >> > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by >> > INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> > >> > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted >> > them (including attachments if any). 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