>I haven't been taking in a lot of this stuff, but looking at >the plans,
any
>asymmetry in the body/soundboard shape looks fairly >minor,
From my experience the discrepancy is more than minor, enough so, that
it has made me wonder. Then again, some lutes seem to be very symmetrical.
> Anyway, isn't this lute builder list material?
It seems most of the interest in this topic has come from non lute
makers. Besides, it seems to be more metaphysical than practible. I think
most any lute players would be somewhat interested in the thought behind it
all.
Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Chalkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> I haven't been taking in a lot of this stuff, but looking at the plans,
any
> assymettry in the body/soundboard shape looks fairly minor, and the
question
> really arises with the neck. Isn't this simply a question of the number
of
> strings, as with the theorbo? The 'ribbon' (for want of a better word)
> appears to be correctly placed over the body only when the neck is
skewiff,
> because some of the strings don't go over the fingerboard.
>
> Anyway, isn't this lute builder list material? I'm sure I had a couple of
> responses from Martin and David (Shepherd and Edwards respectively) when I
> first decided to have a go at a theorbo.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "lute list" <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Vance
> Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
>
>
> > >Vance said
> > > The point here is that the
> > >use of asymmetry was to create the illusion of symmetry.
> >
> > Why would anyone want the illusion of symmetry, when one can have
the
> > real thing? Stradivari obviously thought very highly of symmetry, since
> all
> > of his moulds are symmetrical.
> >
> > Michael Thames
> > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "lute list" <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> >
> >
> > > After reading Mr. Lundbergs book several times I have come to the
> > conclusion
> > > that he must be correct. He claims to have examined actual
instruments
> > that
> > > all show the same asymmetry, the neck cocked toward the base side of
the
> > > Lute. He goes on to explain that the body does indeed have a center
> line,
> > > and the neck does indeed have a center line, but the juxtaposition of
> both
> > > elements does not extend the two center lines so that they become one
> > common
> > > center line. Can anyone site an historical instrument where a common
> > center
> > > line is obvious?
> > >
> > > I realize the argument can be made that the instruments have become
> warped
> > > and twisted over time but knowing wood as I do, if that were so, there
> > would
> > > be evidence in a dramatic distortion of both the treble and base sides
> of
> > > the bowel. The base side would show evidence of compression causing
an
> > > obvious kink near the joint of the neck and bowel. The treble side
> would
> > > show evidence of separation at the same point understanding that wood
> this
> > > old cannot be stretched, it only cracks and separates.
> > >
> > > Vance Wood.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:15 PM
> > > Subject: RE: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ron Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the
> > > > > Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper
> > > > > template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line.
> > > >
> > > > Is it clear how this template was used?
> > > >
> > > > I can see many possibiltys, including the possiblity of other
> templates
> > > > now missing.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps this was part of a study, and represents another makers
work;
> > > > are there any strad-made lutes surviving to compare this template
to?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, i suppose lots of this has been discussed already, I have
been
> > > > skipping lots of email the past few weeks, too much apparant
flaming,
> > > > not enough time to indulge in reading, let alone responding.
> > > > --
> > > > dana emery
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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