I can not really say how was sacred catholic in Italy before Vatican II council (I was 3-4 year old!), but if I have to judge from some old noun singing old pieces, they are not polyphonic at all, and they are so poorly sung that I clearly prefer post-council church music
Paolo >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: [email protected] >Data: 14/03/2012 13.37 >A: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >Cc: <[email protected]> >Ogg: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers > >Chris, > >the concept is so well expressed.. > >Donatella > >----Messaggio >originale---- >Da: [email protected] >Data: 14/03/2012 13.29 >A: ><[email protected]>, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >Cc: ><[email protected]> >Ogg: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers > > >Donatella, > In America the change in music came much earlier, in >many places > preceding the Second Vatican Council. The Catholic >Church in America > took great pride in dissociating itself from "old >world ways" by > rejecting chant and polyphony. In its place, they >replaced these > traditions with very poor pseudo-folk music. I >suppose this was done in > order to provide "hip" music to attract >young people, under the > assumption that no one under 30 can stand >still long enough to > appreciate beauty. Unfortunately, the resultant >music was some hideous > hybrid that succeeded in being neither >appropriately sacred nor in any > way interesting to young people. At >any rate, young people stayed away > in droves, largely because of >this smaltzy stuff. Still, these very > same wannabe hippy songs - now >approaching 50 years old - and the > stated need to use them to >attract young people are repeated ad > nauseum. > One of the >great unwritten-about artistic travesties of the 20th > century is the >fact that this entire repertoire, which replaced a > still-living >century's old tradition, was not called for by any Church > decree, >but was largely engineered by the publishing company Oregan > Catholic >Press. If you go to practically any church in the country you > will >find the same poor quality songs from the 1960's and 1970's in the > >hymnals. This is not due to regulation, but rather a publishing deal. > > Chris > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Music Faculty > Nazareth >College, Rochester, NY > State University of New York at Geneseo > >Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > --- On >Wed, 3/14/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: >[email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules >for jazz performers > To: [email protected] > Cc: lute@cs. >dartmouth.edu > Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 3:49 AM > > I >googled, in Italian, and this came out [1]http://www.giovaninsede. > >it/animazione-liturgica.php , there are no notes as music is not > >thaught in the same way as abroad, so average people can sometimes read > > chords ( sigh) and that is. You can get an idea. I used to go to >Mass > as a child, and songs which were sung were possibly ancient and > > complex, often in Latin, then when the previous Pope came, he > >destroyed that part, I guess to make audience ( sad to say, but that > >is), so that songs became the poorest, musically speaking, you can > >imagine, accompanied by guitar, organ was heard now and then. It was > >part of a "renovation" of which I can give an example: in the village > > where I go on holiday , there is a Chapel with a Renaissance >painting. > It needed restoring, but it was visible. Well , it was >covered with a > representation of a black Madonna ( I can't think of >the proper name > right now) which is not even of any artistic value. > > To me listening to > the Mass became a real suffering, this is not >the main reason why I > quit, but I did. > Lute and theorbo are >allowed, I have been asked > several times to play a piece during the >mass ( but I have not done it > up to now) > Donatella > ---- >Messaggio originale---- > Da: > [2][email protected] > Data: >14/03/2012 1.06 > A: "Lute Net"<lute@cs. > dartmouth.edu> > Ogg: >[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers > On Mar > 13, 2012, at 4: >01 PM, Tony wrote: > > The Church's doctrine on > liturgical music >can be summarized in seven > > points .... > Doubtless > there are >listers who know more about this than I do, but this list > seems like >a compilation of things that have been said on the subject > over the >centuries, rather than functioning doctrine. A lot of it is > pre- >Vatican II. The one about guitars, for example, is obviously forty > >or fifty years years out of date. Try googling: catholic mass guitar > > (no quotes). Apparently the current pope Benedict doesn't like > >guitars. > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > >[3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > E' nata >indoona: chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica > indoona per >iPhone, Android e PC: [4]http://www.indoona.com/ > > -- > >References > > >1. http://www.giovaninsede/ > 2. file://localhost/mc/compose? >[email protected] > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute- >admin/index.html > 4. http://www.indoona.com/ > > > > >E' nata indoona: chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica indoona per iPhone, Android e PC: http://www.indoona.com/ > > >
