Wasn't it terrible when that damn Monteverdi start writing all that modern stuff, how could he :)
On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Edward Mast wrote: > A very sad state of affairs, Chris. I never understood the church's - > catholic, protestant, or otherwise - desire to revise its music programs to > reflect what is going on musically in society; to appear to be more > "relevant". If you remove the unique and beautiful musical aspects of the > church service and make it more like what's going on everywhere outside the > church, don't you also remove the motivation for congregants to come and > experience something they don't find outside the church? If, as you say, > young people have stayed away in droves, it would seem so. > On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: > > Ned > >> Donatella, >> In America the change in music came much earlier, in many places >> preceding the Second Vatican Council. The Catholic Church in America >> took great pride in dissociating itself from "old world ways" by >> rejecting chant and polyphony. In its place, they replaced these >> traditions with very poor pseudo-folk music. I suppose this was done in >> order to provide "hip" music to attract young people, under the >> assumption that no one under 30 can stand still long enough to >> appreciate beauty. Unfortunately, the resultant music was some hideous >> hybrid that succeeded in being neither appropriately sacred nor in any >> way interesting to young people. At any rate, young people stayed away >> in droves, largely because of this smaltzy stuff. Still, these very >> same wannabe hippy songs - now approaching 50 years old - and the >> stated need to use them to attract young people are repeated ad >> nauseum. >> One of the great unwritten-about artistic travesties of the 20th >> century is the fact that this entire repertoire, which replaced a >> still-living century's old tradition, was not called for by any Church >> decree, but was largely engineered by the publishing company Oregan >> Catholic Press. If you go to practically any church in the country you >> will find the same poor quality songs from the 1960's and 1970's in the >> hymnals. This is not due to regulation, but rather a publishing deal. >> Chris >> Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. >> Music Faculty >> Nazareth College, Rochester, NY >> State University of New York at Geneseo >> Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer >> www.christopherwilke.com >> --- On Wed, 3/14/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 3:49 AM >> >> I googled, in Italian, and this came out [1]http://www.giovaninsede. >> it/animazione-liturgica.php , there are no notes as music is not >> thaught in the same way as abroad, so average people can sometimes read >> chords ( sigh) and that is. You can get an idea. I used to go to Mass >> as a child, and songs which were sung were possibly ancient and >> complex, often in Latin, then when the previous Pope came, he >> destroyed that part, I guess to make audience ( sad to say, but that >> is), so that songs became the poorest, musically speaking, you can >> imagine, accompanied by guitar, organ was heard now and then. It was >> part of a "renovation" of which I can give an example: in the village >> where I go on holiday , there is a Chapel with a Renaissance painting. >> It needed restoring, but it was visible. Well , it was covered with a >> representation of a black Madonna ( I can't think of the proper name >> right now) which is not even of any artistic value. >> To me listening to >> the Mass became a real suffering, this is not the main reason why I >> quit, but I did. >> Lute and theorbo are allowed, I have been asked >> several times to play a piece during the mass ( but I have not done it >> up to now) >> Donatella >> ----Messaggio originale---- >> Da: >> [2][email protected] >> Data: 14/03/2012 1.06 >> A: "Lute Net"<lute@cs. >> dartmouth.edu> >> Ogg: [LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers >> On Mar >> 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Tony wrote: >>> The Church's doctrine on >> liturgical music can be summarized in seven >>> points .... >> Doubtless >> there are listers who know more about this than I do, but this list >> seems like a compilation of things that have been said on the subject >> over the centuries, rather than functioning doctrine. A lot of it is >> pre-Vatican II. The one about guitars, for example, is obviously forty >> or fifty years years out of date. Try googling: catholic mass guitar >> (no quotes). Apparently the current pope Benedict doesn't like >> guitars. >> -- >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> E' nata indoona: chiama, videochiama e messaggia Gratis. Scarica >> indoona per iPhone, Android e PC: [4]http://www.indoona.com/ >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.giovaninsede/ >> 2. file://localhost/mc/[email protected] >> 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> 4. http://www.indoona.com/ >> > > >
