I agree with you, Monica. Again it's a case of retroprojection: we have this sense for comparing everything with everything because we have a sense for history, something they did not have: history as we know it was invented in the 19th century. We can arrive to some conclusions about all this it if we consider the big quantity of words with arabic roots that are now still present in the spanish language: lots of them! We in Spain are not conscious of these roots now, but in the 16th century they were very present, for sure, because arabic belonged to the daily life. But they were nevertheless used, otherwise they would now be extinct, and that is not the case. Excuse my poor english... Manolo
Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 6/5/2015, a las 21:18, Monica Hall <[email protected]> escribió: > > Briefly - I think the idea that the Spanish didn't like the lute because it > had Moorish associations is a rather silly myth. > Monica > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Seifert" <[email protected]> > To: "Ron Andrico" <[email protected]>; "Christopher Wilke" > <[email protected]>; "Dan Winheld" <[email protected]>; "Rob > MacKillop" <[email protected]>; "Howard Posner" > <[email protected]>; "David Van Ooijen" <[email protected]> > Cc: "'Lutelist'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 1:51 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spain vs. Italy > > >> Regarding the Spain versus rest-of-Europe issue ( a most fascinating >> topic--thanks for introducing it, Robert Barto ), English Prof Brittany >> Hughes said that one reason the Spanish kings/queens so brutally >> expelled or forced conversion on the "Moors" (1523 was an important >> date of escalation, and then the worst of the Inquisition was imposed >> in 1609) was that the Turks liked to raid the coast of Spain from their >> ships, escalating anti-Muslim hatred throughout this period. She >> didn't mention why the Jews were so oppressed, as they seem like >> innocent bystanders. I wonder if they also tried to eliminate the >> lute, because it was seen as a Moorish instrument, or the lute belly >> reminded them of something really evil, like the belly of a pregnant >> woman, heaven forbid. >> In defense of Spain, Dr. Teofilo Ruiz of UCLA in his "Terror of >> History" course said that the Spanish ended their witch hunting decades >> before England and Germany (and America). Maybe the adverse effects of >> eliminating Jews and Muslims helped them realize that getting rid of >> all their witches wouldn't improve anything. >> I had a really spooky/scary experience in 1973 after I got a minimum >> wage job vacuuming dust off the books in the dark stacks of Widener >> Library (built after the Titanic went down in honor of a son of a >> Boston Brahmin family). Was sitting on the cold concrete floor dusting >> a row of books when I encountered a black leather clad tome whose >> binding showed one word, my last name spelled correctly, and the date >> "1728" in silver Gothic letters. Shocked and amazed, I pulled it out, To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
