You've misread me again, Chris. I was genuine in saying I was happy for you to promote your recording, especially as you do some improv. Relax. I'm very pro what you do.
Rob www.robmackillop.net > On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:29, Christopher Wilke <chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > wrote: > > Wow, Rob, this doesn't seem like you. Calling Danny dumb? Lobbing the "you're > just promoting your stuff" grenade at me? The bulk of my message discussed my > own experiences as improvisor in a jazz and baroque idioms. I don't believe > it was at all inappropriate to mention my recorded efforts in this regard, > especially as I specifically discussed the influence that a modern improvisor > (Monk) played in the development of that example. If I had written a book on > the subject, would you expect me to avoid mentioning it? > > That others have also commented on the jazz aspect shows that I wasn't off > base. If you wished to confine the thread merely commentary on the video > linked, you should have been more specific in your original wording. > > Chris > > > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 7/1/15, Rob MacKillop <robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music > To: "Christopher Wilke" <chriswi...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2015, 10:49 AM > > Chris, > I'm very happy to provide you the > opportunity to promote your latest > disc, which is wonderful. More power to > you. > However, my discussion is more about the > concepts Steve uses, which are > not jazz, and how we should be studying > them on a baroque lute. I'm not > sure from what you say that you have had a > chance to look at the video. > His whole approach is something we could > apply to the baroque lute, or > Italian archlute, AS WE ARE LEARNING the > instrument. It doesn't have to > be super advanced. > Rob > > On 1 July 2015 at 15:15, Christopher Wilke > <[1]chriswi...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Rob, > Thanks for being this up. I did my minor > at Eastman in jazz guitar, > thinking it might also help me with > improvising early music. The > results have been mixed. > I included some improvised sections on my > latest baroque lute album. > The most extended stretches are in the > varied repeats I made for the > slow movements in the Bach BWV 995 suite. > In those situations there is > a clear model coming from the composer's > original. This is actually not > so far from what jazzers do. I'm reminded > of Thelonious Monk's > admonition that a soloist should always be > mentally hearing the head > while soloing over the changes. I also > included several cadenzas, which > are more free form but involve developing > a motif. > Ultimately, jazz studies haven't been very > helpful to me in baroque > improvising. I learned about the process, > especially in not being > afraid to copy! (Jazzers spend countless > hours copying licks from > recordings.) However, the idioms are just > so different that few things > transferred without major adjustment. This > is to be expected. It's kind > of like learning Hungarian and being > surprised that it doesn't directly > apply to taking up Spanish. Musical styles > have changed so much in the > past hundreds of years, why would one > expect that there be one > universally applicable approach to > improvisation? > For those interested, my album is > available from CD Baby at the link > below. Unfortunately, the samples their > algorithm has selected don't > include much of the improvisations > mentioned above. > [2]http://www.cdbaby.com/m/cd/christopherwilke12 > Chris > [3]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > At Jul 1, 2015, 8:53:14 AM, Rob > MacKillop wrote: > > I've long thought that there was something > missing from the way most of > us learn elearningo play baroque music, > whether on lute or guitar. Some > of us > have studied figured bass playing, it's > something I particularly > enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any > for years. But rarely do we > step beyond that practice, and I believe > that only a very, very small > percentage of us are happy improvising > baroque counterpoint in Dm > tuning. > I was fascinated to learn that one of my > jazz guitar heroes, Steve > Herberman, teaches a class online called > Going For Baroque. You have to > buy the class, but an overview video is > available: > [1][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ > It would be really interesting to transfer > his approach to the Dm lute. > One would really get to know the > instrument and tuning well, and > discover many contrapuntal finger > movements which could be used in > improvising fugues or dance movements. > I'd like to know your thoughts after > watching the video. > Rob MacKillop > [2][5]www.robmackillop.net > -- > References > 1. [6]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ > 2. 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