I'm also curious how to tighten an old fret once the knot has been burned. Sterling, can you enlighten us?
I've sometimes very lightly run a soldering iron along the length of the back of the fret and, if there is space, at the bend at the knot. It seems to help if the fret is not very loose, but one has to be really careful not to press too hard or you can cause a weak spot or even breakage. It only works on frets that aren't too wobbly to begin with. If too loose, out come the shims... Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, March 9, 2018, 7:58 AM, Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]> wrote: How would you tighten the frets? I tried burning off the knot a bit more so it pulls together. Does work sometimes. I could put pieces of matches under the fret, but that's cheating :) Am 09.03.2018 um 05:09 schrieb spiffys84121: > It is quite easy to tighten frets when they become loose. It baffles me > when I see lutes with shims on several frets. Changing your frets when > they are loose is like changing your shoe laces every time they become > loose. Just tighten those frets! > Sterling > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Tristan von Neumann <[2][email protected]> > Date: 3/8/18 6:28 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: lutelist Net <[3][email protected]> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: meantone tuning tech > > My frets move even if I don't want them to move... at least after some > time. Maybe my knots are not good enough. But once you move them, they > become loose. > Actually I find some differences in tone very appealing. > Even if some pieces sound dark or harsh, I try to think of it as color > and not a flaw. > I don't know how this was in different climate zones of Europe, but is > there a region where Lutes are always in tune, considering the "Little > Ice Age" of course, not today's reemerging from it. > But with gut and mostly difficult weather conditions back then, I might > want to think that we're already in Lute Heaven with being able to > choose our room temperature and even avoid gut strings if you're ok with > it... > I sometimes wonder who Archicembali were kept in tune... > > Am 08.03.2018 um 18:39 schrieb Daniel Shoskes: > > I don't have OUP access so can't read the entire review, but would be > rather surprised to have a criticism boil down to Dolata's thesis was > "the frets can move so they must have moved". I read the book a couple > of years ago but glancing through it again there is a balanced and > measured weighing of evidence including iconography, spacing of > historical fixed fret instruments and multiple vihuela, viol and lute > sources including Galilei. If someone can share the entire review with > me I would be happy to re-evalutate and reconsider. For me personally, > spending most of my plucking in the d minor tuning world, equal > temperament is the norm. > > > > Returning to the original question of the original poster, the book > contains practical advice for tuning in meantone temperaments using the > ear and/or a commercial electronic tuner and deals with pros and cons > for solo and ensemble players. > > > > Danny > > > >> On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Andreas Schlegel > <[4][email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> There's a different view here: > >> A. Otterstedt, Fretting about tuning (review of D. Dolata, Meantone > temperaments on lutes and viols, Bloomington und Indiana, 2016), in: > Early Music, cax101, [5]https://doi.org/10.1093/em/cax101 > >> > >> Andreas > >> > >>> Am 08.03.2018 um 16:09 schrieb Daniel Shoskes <[6][email protected]>: > >>> > >>> For an excellent book by a musicologist and busy lute performer > (solo and continuo), I highly recommend "Meantone Temperaments on Lutes > and Viols" by David Dolata. Indiana University Press 2016. History > covered in part 1, theory in part 2 and practicalities in part 3 (by ear > and using a tuning device). > >>> > >>> goo.gl/9Aewv2 <[7]http://goo.gl/9Aewv2> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Matthew Daillie > <[8][email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I totally agree with Martin Shepherd (indeed two of our messages > said the same thing) but what is the valid point Ron was making ?? > >>>> > >>>> Leonard's original post was a question about his method for tuning > 1/4 comma meantone, not whether it was appropriate or not to use it on > lutes, a can of worms I certainly did not wish to open (personally I use > both equal and 1/5 comma mean-tone on my lutes). > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> Matthew > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 08/03/2018 15:31, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > >>>>> Ron and Martin have valid points - in particular the advocacy > of a true > >>>>> meantone is something of a chimera on the lute. Indeed, this > matter of > >>>>> non-equal temperament on lutes has been considered on this forum a > >>>>> number of times before - just search the archives. 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