Can one get sheet music for the trios? Dick Brook
> On May 16, 2018, at 6:04 AM, Markus Lutz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Roland, > probably you missed the mail of Stephan Olbertz, who posted to the lute list > only: > > "Think of the galant lute trio like a piano trio... You get the idea" > > That really is the point: > In that times lute trio meant lute, violin (or flute) and basso, very often > in a way, that the two added instruments play the melody and the bass of the > lute part, but in later times > - and that for sure is the case with Kropfgans - with different voices for > violin and lute, and also the bass often plays a extended line (sometimes > even another voice: Philipp Martin(o), Daube etc.) > > I don't think we have testimonies of a trio of 3 lutes at that time, though > such music probably existed (e.g. v. Radolt used 3 differently tuned lutes in > one of his ensemble works)! > > The works of Kropfgans are mentioned in Gerber 1st edition 1792, vol. 1, 759f: > Kropfgans (Johann) geb. 14.10.1708 - nach 1769: > "Von seinen Kompositionen sind nur 3 Lautensolos zu Nürnberg gestochen > worden. In Mspt. hingegen hat man von ihm 36 Solos, 6 Duos für 2 Lauten, 32 > Trios für Laute, Violin und Violonzell, 1 Quartett für Laute, Fr. Viol. und > Violonz. Auch hat er einige Hillerische Operetten auf die Laute gesetzt." > > i.e. > - 3 Solos had been published in Nürnberg by Haffner > In manuscript we have: > - 36 Solos > - 6 Duos > - 32 Trios for lute, violin and cello > - 1 Quartett for lute, flute, violine and cello > - Operetts by Hiller set to the lute > > Best regards > Markus > > > > > > Am 16.05.2018 um 03:03 schrieb Roland Hayes: >> Apologies. I meant trio for lute violin and cello. r >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Markus Lutz <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:11:22 PM >> *To:* [email protected]; Roland Hayes >> *Subject:* [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans >> In one of the lexika of the end of the 18th or beginning of the 19th >> century there is a remark, that Johann Kropfgans wrote 32 lute trios, >> but I cannot say at the moment, in which one it is written. >> We only have some complete trios in Brusseles and in Berlin. >> In Brusseles there probably are some even written by himself. >> Best regards >> Markus >> Am 15.05.2018 um 23:43 schrieb Arthur Ness: >>> Hi Stephen, >>> You got it ! ! ! >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> 12 Trios lute, violin âcello in B-Br Ms II 4088. Also the Pichler >>> piece in Ms II 4087 (viii) according to Tim Crawford. >>> Meyer, Christian. "Les Manuscrits De Luth Du Fonds Fétis (Bruxelles, >>> Bibliothèque Royale Albert Ier, Mss II 4086-4089)." Revue Belge De >>> Musicologie / Belgisch Tijdschrift Voor Muziekwetenschap, vol. 50, >>> 1996, pp. 197â216. JSTOR, JSTOR, [1]www.jstor.org/stable/3687046. >>> Also listed with complete titles in Boetticher's RISM VII inventory, >>> pp. 62-4. These were from the Fétis collection and may have been >>> acquired from the Breitkopf auction of 1832 (can't find my notes). The >>> catalogue is extremely rare, but is about 1 ½ inches thick.*** >>> Breitkopf decided to empty their warehouse of outmoded music. What a >>> treasure!! Unique copies of some of the Bach lute pieces were among >>> the offering. >>> Stephan Olbertz, "An Unknown Lute Piece in a Keyboard Manuscript with >>> Works by Wilhelm Friedemann Bach," JLSA 44 (2012): 1-22. >>> ***Copy in the University Library, Amsterdam (NO Longer in the >>> Amsterdam public library). >>> Enjoy, Roland! >>> Arthur Ness >>> [email protected] >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stephan Olbertz <[email protected]> >>> To: 'Lute Net' <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, May 15, 2018 4:24 pm >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Johann Kropfgans >>> Think of the galant lute trio like a piano trio... You get the idea ;-) >>> Best >>> Stephan >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: lute-[2][email protected] >>> [[3]mailto:[email protected]] >>> Im Auftrag von Stewart McCoy >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2018 21:05 >>> An: Lute Net >>> Betreff: [LUTE] Johann Kropfgans >>> Dear Roland, >>> Iââ¬â¢m afraid I donââ¬â¢t know about these trios by Johann >>> Kropfgans, but I >>> would very much like to know more about them. I see from a quick search >>> on the internet that Kropfgans wrote chamber music for the lute, violin >>> and cello, including one in C minor, but I see no evidence of lute >>> trios. It is possible that Lutz Kirchhof made his own lute trio >>> arrangements from those chamber music pieces, but Iââ¬â¢m only >>> guessing. >>> Hopefully youââ¬â¢ll be able to find out more. >>> Best wishes, >>> Stewart. >>> From: [1]Roland Hayes >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:10 PM >>> To: [2]Wayne ; [3]Stewart McCoy >>> Cc: [4]lute net >>> Subject: Johann Kropfgans >>> He wrote 32 lute trios? What are the sources? I just heard one in c >>> minor w/ Lutz Kerchoff. Outstanding!! r >>> -- >>> References >>> 1. [4]mailto:[email protected] >>> 2. [5]mailto:[email protected] >>> 3. 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