How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able
   to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double
   lute? (Dipharion?)

   On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel
   <[1]> wrote:

     Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle
     (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two
     soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal
     strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News
     85, April 2008)
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     David Smith
     Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16
     An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]
     Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
     I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double
     top is more common in the states.
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     From: [5]
     <[6]> On Behalf Of Joachim
     Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM
     To: [7]
     Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
     Dear David, dear list,
     I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but
     only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a
     second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is
     usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too
     limited or do I use it too strictly?
     A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there
     were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in
     Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently
     finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule
     playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and
     I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the
     majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices â¦
     Best from the Hanseatics
     Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
     Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100
     Von: "David Smith" <[8]>
     An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]>,
     "[10]" <[11]>
     That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars -
     10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really
     not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used
     for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching
     bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann
     price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top.
     You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around
     As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because
     it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound
     of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho.
     But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone
     then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double
     top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is
     overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system -
     bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound
     throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I
     use it on a lute. Not likely.
     Anyway, some random thoughts.
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     From: [13]
     <[14]> On Behalf Of Tristan
     von Neumann
     Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM
     To: [15]
     Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
     For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort...
     I don't see any advantage...
     On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
     > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory
     the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like
     quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this
     technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop.
     > Jürgne
     > âââââââ Original Message âââââââ
     > On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert
     <[16]> wrote:
     >> John wrote:
     >>> Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any
     >>> interested in trying?
     >> Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure.
     >> I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any
     >> advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for
     >> workin with nomex or similar, etc.).
     >> The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there
     may be
     >> occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an
     >> stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a
     >> lute sound the way it does.
     >> Consider the following article for more
     >> [17]
     >> Kind regards
     >> .. mark.
     >> To get on or off this list see list information at
     >> [18]




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