Two years ago, classic guitar virtuoso Jason Vieaux visited my city and had an 
incredible concert and master class. Jason is a Grammy winning artist. His 
guitar had a double top, and it was perhaps the loudest guitar I have ever 
heard. I played a small passage on it (he offered) and it is incredible, 
robust, a great instrument. 

I wonder if such aesthetics would emote the truly sweet, beautiful sound of our 
concept of how a good lite should sound. 
Ed 

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:21 PM, John Mardinly <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>    I have heard the terminology ‘composite top' and 'sandwich top' in
>   addition to ‘double top', and they all refer to similar construction,
>   although the earliest ‘double top' guitars used a layer of a hexagonal
>   synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on
>   wood.
> 
>   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>   Classical Guitarist/Lutenist
> 
>   On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Joachim Lüdtke <[1][email protected]>
>   wrote:
> 
>   Dear David, dear list,
>   I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but
>   only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second,
>   'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually
>   called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I
>   use it too strictly?
>   A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were
>   guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and
>   there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and
>   one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on
>   each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I
>   couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds,
>   neither did I ask for prices …
>   Best from the Hanseatics
>   Joachim
>   -----Original-Nachricht-----
>   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
>   Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100
>   Von: "David Smith" <[2][email protected]>
>   An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[3][email protected]>,
>   "[4][email protected]" <[5][email protected]>
>   That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars -
>   10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not
>   that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot
>   of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding
>   instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his
>   reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find
>   good quality double tops starting around 3-4k.
>   As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it
>   is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of
>   double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But,
>   if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then
>   there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is
>   just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The
>   bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system -
>   [6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goreguitars.com
>   .au_main_page-5Finnovation-5Fsummary-5Ffalcate-5Fbracing.html&d=DwIFaQ&
>   c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvx
>   MmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=ftBiwVy6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ&s=hl
>   0F5qUAGqTuToEdzrjzuTjZ3Rl4kFVBRh16ZCVLBts&e= ) is more interesting. It
>   makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more
>   volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely.
>   Anyway, some random thoughts.
>   David
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: [7][email protected]
>   <[8][email protected]> On Behalf Of Tristan von
>   Neumann
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM
>   To: [9][email protected]
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top
>   For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort...
>   I don't see any advantage...
>   On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote:
> 
>     I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory
>     the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like
>     quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this
>     technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 € a pop.
>     Jürgne
>     ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>     On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert
>     <[10][email protected]> wrote:
> 
>     John wrote:
> 
>     Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers
>     interested in trying?
> 
>     Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure.
>     I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any
>     advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for
>     starters,
>     workin with nomex or similar, etc.).
>     The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may
>     be
>     occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly
>     stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a
>     lute sound the way it does.
>     Consider the following article for more
>     [11]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.guitars
>     alon.com_blog_-3Fp-3D1467&d=DwIFaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_
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>     AuAbyvOQzJWmg0&e=
>     Kind regards
>     .. mark.
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