I hear ya, Sarge. Most pieces connected to Ghiselin in Spinacino aren't for the faint-heared. (ditto Kyrie de les armes) I don't know why. Isn't there a concordance in the Buxheim Organ book? Maybe make two edits: the first faithful and the second with ficta suggestions from the chanson settings or Buxheim? There are so many decisions possible and then you are left wondering if you're editing for our ears and risk getting further from their reality. Sean
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 12:30 PM Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. <[1][email protected]> wrote: I am working on an edition of Spinacino v.1 (1507) and have run across these 2 extremely dissonant duets. I am not personally a big fan of gratuitous dissonance (diabolus in musica). Dissonance that serves a purpose, as in Dowland, yes. Dissonance as a passing note, yes. Dissonance as a cadential suspension, yes. But minor second intervals on downbeats, not so much. I would like to "correct" these duet parts so they harmonize instead of "cacophonizing" with each other, but have no idea where to begin. Has anyone tried to do this? If I can't find a harmonious solution, I will just leave the duets as is, though I hate to punt like that, because who will want to play them as written (except maybe Schräder, and he is no longer with us)? --Sarge On 10/14/2019 23:48, Alain Veylit wrote: I cannot read this thread without thinking about Spinacino's duets, particularly the setting of Ghiselin's Jolis amours: are the notes wrong or is it our ears? Yet, I had found a very convincing rendition of that duet a while ago on the Net, played as printed 500 years ago (already!) -- I believe Karl-Ernst Schrà ¶der was on one of the 2 lutes -- Helas, I can no longer find that particular recording on the Internet any longer. One trick they used to make the half-tone clashes sound better was to play the piece very fast. It works. Spinacino's "J'ay pris amours" is still there on YouTube but it is less striking as an example of utter dissonance to modern ears - see [1][1][2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcq1ETbXkI -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. ([2][3][email protected]) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759 Website: [3][4]http://www.gerbode.net "The map may not be the territory, but it's all we've got." -- References 1. [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcq1ETbXkI 2. mailto:[6][email protected] 3. [7]http://www.gerbode.net/ To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcq1ETbXkI 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. http://www.gerbode.net/ 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcq1ETbXkI 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. http://www.gerbode.net/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
